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hello everyone this is Martin Willis

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your host and first of all I would like

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to apologize for last week it was

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Murphy's Law kicking in every which way

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we had high winds and dark matter radio

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comedy of errors and so we don't really

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don't want that to happen again

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and this week in our one and also

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helping me out with the news is chip

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Reich and Thal that's right I said

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helping me out with the news and guess

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what Alejandro Rojas somehow forgot to

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tell me he was on vacation this week so

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I'm gonna be doing the news and chips

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gonna help me and I refuse to let Murphy

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and his laws affect the show this week

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so chip will be on later actually

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through our one and he's going to be

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talking about hypnosis of abductees he's

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gonna be talking about his first or his

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UFO sighting and this is an interesting

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topic we're going to bring up et's

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versus ghosts which will be proven first

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and it's funny I'm gonna talk to him

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about someone that was in my office

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today talking about ghosts it was kind

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of interesting so an hour two we have

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something really kind of exciting it's a

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first time speaker Rob Mercer and Rob is

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in Ohio MUFON and he also was happened

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he happened to be on Craigslist a while

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back and he saw something that was

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interesting and he went and checked it

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out and it was Project Blue Book files

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so he found out that who the person was

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were they originated from contacted him

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the gentleman is still alive he's I

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believe in his 80s and he got all kinds

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I'm sorry Project Blue Book stuff that

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how are you I'm great Martin you know I

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know Han grow as far as doing the news

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cans Latin eyes your name somehow I have

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to work on that well then it would be

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cheap and that just doesn't cut it

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you know first of all I want to say as

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far as the news goes all the links are

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right on our show notes at podcast UFO

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calm and they're all from they all

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originate at open minds dot TV and we're

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going to start out Pennsylvania UFO

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described as Star Trek shimmery now this

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guy sounds

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the real observer here he was out

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walking his dog and he had a satellite

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app on his phone and he was looking at

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satellites spotting them and all of a

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sees a like a black triangle and then he

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it was like a Flying V across the

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southwest to the northwest and he gives

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all this really detailed information

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about holding his thumb up in front of

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his eye and trying to see how big the

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thing was he guesses approximately how

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big how fast it was going anyway that

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story's right right on our website the

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link to it and what do you think did you

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read that chip yeah I did Martin and you

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know I look I'm I think a lot about this

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especially in Pennsylvania but Lancaster

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paranormal guy but I'm very tied into

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the UFO community there Wilfong level 5

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which means that there's more sightings

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in Pennsylvania and around that area

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Lancaster County area than just about

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any other state in the country you know

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9 sightings alone in February so it says

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a lot you know it ties into something

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and admittedly out you know I'm a little

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sentimental today at that plane crash in

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the French Alps you know you see world

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leaders hugging each other and crying

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and that that can I think I can't help

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but be affected by that but there's

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something that ties into this story and

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I'll be brief about it but again in

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southern France there was a guy who

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works with helicopters and quad

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quadrocopters that builds the star

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trek-like flying devices and one is

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triangular-shaped it's got LED lights on

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France for a long time now you know kind

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of like some of the guys we brought in

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from Germany back in the 40s to you know

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help us out with rocket propulsion and

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things of that nature and it looks very

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much similar to what this guy described

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explainable here but it also could be

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something else because in Pennsylvania

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they've got Bigfoot they've got this dog

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level five so there could be something

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to it yeah you do you're right you'd

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hear all kinds of things about

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Pennsylvania and and Bigfoot is no

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stranger there for sure so secondly I'd

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like to talk about the SETI just had an

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upgrade and I think it's kind of funny

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if anyone is supporting the show and

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they went in to look on our on get

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with us Seth Shostak from SETI I posted

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it last week it's still up there if

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anyone is supporting the show they can

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listen and it's a UFO debate and I

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now they have this new on the radio

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telescope so doing an infrared thing

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primitive you know if you're thinking

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civilizations are real advanced way

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advanced of us and you're looking for

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them in radio waves and he said well you

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actually had a good point

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he said that well it's better than doing

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nothing we're just exploring with what

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we know and so I have to agree it was

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really hard to agree with that point but

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I that point and you did you Frank Drake

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and I don't really agree that much with

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the Drake Equation and all that but he

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is a pioneer of SETI yeah yeah are you

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familiar with SETI at all their trip I

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am and you know I look I got to be

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honest here because I like that they're

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thinking infrared but this guy started

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with radio and if if radio waves are

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moving at the speed of light then we've

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only hit what like maybe 60 light-years

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so it'll take a while really before we

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could reach a civilization that hears

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about radio you know but these guys are

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more astronomers than Frank Drake is you

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know he's working with microwaves

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they're working with infrared and from I

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don't know my experience

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astronomers seem to be

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kind of non-believers you know they they

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see what they see and and they don't see

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any evidence of life elsewhere even

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though they're really looking for it and

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look there's a lot of possibilities on

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the moons and Jupiter and Saturn where

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they're seeing the possibilities of

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water very similar to what we have and

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there could be maybe microbial life

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maybe even oceanic life you know

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something this week just discovered on

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Mars I don't know if you read that oh

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yeah with the with the soil samples okay

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this is where kind of like this week as

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opposed to last week where they're

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really making lemonade out of lemons

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something leaked into their samples but

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it turns out that they found two percent

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water which means there once was water

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there and could even be something

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underground I mean there's a lot of

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possibilities it seems like you know if

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they're looking at the theory of

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panspermia where we originated from

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somewhere else like an asteroid or

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something of this sort it could have

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been Mars absolutely okay we're ready to

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move on to the last story and it's an mo

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D ministry of defence helicopter chases

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for UFOs in England this family was

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outdoors enjoying a barbecue

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and all of a sudden they heard a

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helicopter and they looked at it was

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chasing UFOs through the sky now the

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woman told her husband told her son I

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guess to run and get the camera so he

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came back and was just a regular camera

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nothing special didn't have a zoom or

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anything they snapped a couple of photos

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so if you look at we have a picture

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right on our show notes or on our home

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page on podcast UFO comm and it looks

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just like what you would think of as a

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Maui Island sighting which was actually

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before Roswell back in 1947 they said

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they had these doughnut shaped UFOs that

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were flying over and one of them started

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having trouble and started spilling like

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this lava stuff off of it and landed on

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the boat killed the dog injured the boy

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all that stuff anyway if you look at

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this picture it's definitely one of

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those donut shaped UFOs and they're back

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did you look at it I did and well it's

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funny because if you look around the

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world there are

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countries that take UFO sightings and

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extraterrestrials much more seriously

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than we do and they're really out over

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it much more than the United States and

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England I mean those are the two places

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that seems to be the most reserved as

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far as admitting anything it's a miracle

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we got Project Blue Book you know which

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something we'll talk about and that goes

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first as UFOs things later on the hour I

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take it very seriously this one

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especially because things seem to come

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back to areas like England and Ireland

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you know and maybe it's something from

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ancient times but it just seems like

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things tend to show up there that

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haven't shown up there in a long time

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and they don't really speak out much

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about this sort of thing so there has to

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be something to this one I think I

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remember I'm turning around the

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gentleman's name his name is Simon

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something I interviewed him in England

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he was in an area of England that with

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really bad weather and I said have you

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ever had a sighting he goes no I never

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even see the sky hey well you know

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that's it for the news this week and

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take that Alejandro Rojas we did it so

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hey thanks chip for helping me out there

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and let's let's get started with you

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because a number of my listeners have

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not a clue who you are so why don't you

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go ahead and give your background yeah

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absolutely I'm actually more known for a

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paranormal guy but I'm very tied into

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the UF ology and extraterrestrials and I

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have a lot of friends who have expen

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either what they call experiencers which

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means they had either benign or positive

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experiences was what they consider to be

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extraterrestrial beings and abductees

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and I'm also certified as a

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hypnotherapist so I'm familiar with some

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of the hypnosis techniques that they use

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to talk to a abductees but I'm probably

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that best known as a radio host

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including a time here a very honored

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time on dark matter on a show called

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keeping the spirits alive I was co-host

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with my buddy John Tobin I had opening

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editorials

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called chip isms I have a book published

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that is more of a paranormal thing it's

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called even the dead won't tell you the

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truth it's kind of a murder mystery that

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is from the point of view of somebody

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who talks to dead people sign you got

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some first-person perspective there but

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I've also written a couple of science

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fiction books and so I've done a lot of

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research on extraterrestrials and you'll

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ethology and some of the deeper stuff

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that you know most people don't get to

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see but yeah I'm currently hosting a

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show on the a1 B radio network called

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beyond the norm where we talk about all

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aspects of paranormal and metaphysical

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annual anthology Wow great Wow well it's

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it's great to have you on I've always

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enjoyed talking to you Oh likewise yeah

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it's an honor thank you and what we were

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going to talk this week I'm trying to

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remember what the subjects were one of

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them was you had a sighting so let's

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talk about that yeah I did a couple of

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them actually and and the one I didn't

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mention to you may be profound than the

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first one but the first one when I was

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10 years old I was with my best friend

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growing up and we were having an

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argument which was very rare because we

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got along really well and all of a

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sudden we saw this thing up in the sky

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and it was very close to us when I'm

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kind of old so when I was 10 there was a

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show called lost in space on TV and they

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had a spaceship yeah

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mommy and I talked on Facebook now and

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then no kidding oh I everybody thought I

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looked like him I was like a kind of a

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twin of his so that's Wow please send

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him my love next time you talk to him on

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the show so he decided to ignore me but

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anyway I mean this thing was it was

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almost exactly like the lost in

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spaceship it was it was really you know

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round and kind of big I mean it was

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close up to us and there were

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multicolored lights about a third of the

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circumference of this disk and it

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herd over us for maybe 11 seconds and

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then jolted like quickly to the left and

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then quickly - like this and then darted

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off and and we just well needless to say

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it stopped our argument but a couple of

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years later we saw one and it was a

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cloud in the sky and it was the kind of

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day where the clouds were moving along

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but this one cloud stayed still and even

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other clouds were penetrating through it

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and even though we were rather young at

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the time still it was I think we were 13

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you know it was over a buddy's house in

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the same neighborhood and it really for

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about three hours just hovered there Wow

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and then like we all I don't know got

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distracted and we turned and the thing

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was gone and I'm thinking you know if

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you talk of duction cases or things like

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that where other neighbors don't see

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this thing a lot of times and you know

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maybe if they're hovering in some sort

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of cloud type of thing you know then

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maybe they can get away with a lot of

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stuff that way how about that well I

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want to remind everyone who's listening

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live he can jump over to podcast UFO

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comm right on the right hand side

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there's a chat room you can jump in

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there and you can ask our guests a

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question it's real easy sign up so chip

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so how did that did did you talk about

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it with your friends a lot after that

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happened yeah we did you know and look

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it's it's at a time where I mean you

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just didn't talk about that stuff so it

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was I mean the first sighting with my

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best buddy and I yeah we talked about

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that one a lot we thought it was cool

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you know because it tied into lost in

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space and it was like our favorite show

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at the time you know I mean that was

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that was a big huge show it was in its

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day you know it's like everybody at

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school talked about it you know the next

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day it was that sort of thing but we

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didn't really talk about it with other

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people that much we mentioned it to our

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parents and our parents each encouraged

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us to kind of keep it quiet because

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that's the type of thing that might

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games give you a free

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label or get you ostracized just like a

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paranormal experience you know you know

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in that day and age you just didn't

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mention it so we kind of kept mum on it

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but for me when other people talk about

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sightings you know there's still even in

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this day and age where everything seems

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out there on the Internet

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and even the news has to be a little TMI

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now you know

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heustis it still comes with some risk

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when you talk about sightings or

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abductions or experiences or anything of

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that nature so I look I tend to take it

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at face value if somebody comes out and

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so something you know because I'm

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dealing with people that go to haunted

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houses and see apparitions for a living

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you know and and there's a lot of

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similarities in some of the ìiî the kind

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of pay attention to some of the quantum

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physics because there's some potential

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explanation so I don't think we're quite

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there yet but maybe in 50 years or so

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you know things will get clearer and the

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physics that we're learning at CERN in

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Geneva and the way particles go about

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and maybe wormholes and multiple

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universes and stuff like that you know

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everything will make a lot more sense

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but yeah I'm a believer but I'll tell

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you what it makes no sum of quantum

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physics quantum mechanics and you make

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absolutely no sense well that's that's

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you know what kills me about it is look

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and especially as either a ghost or a

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UFO or et guy you look at electricity

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nobody really knows how it works they

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just know that it works it's something

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it's an energy they can't see microwaves

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radio signals

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you know infrared lights these are all

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things that we can't see but we're

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perfectly acceptable love and especially

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science and it just seems that you know

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science right now thinks it's got its

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bearings you know I mean in the 1500s

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they thought they knew everything when

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the world was flat right you know so I

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mean it just seems in each day and age

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we think that the physics that we have

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are the science that we have

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is the end all know all you know and

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these guys are talking about spooky

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action at a distance but they won't they

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won't entertain ghosts that kills me a

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little bit

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I actually am starting to believe that

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it's possible that apparitions or ghosts

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could actually be living people in a

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time warp because our physics is

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starting to go there I like now they're

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talking about this multiverse theory if

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our universe is infinite than just by

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definition there has to be an infinite

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amount of universes parallel to ours and

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these travelers could possibly come from

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completely different universes through

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wormholes and and and what they say

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about these multiverses you know each

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potential universe has its own space and

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time so a universe parallel to ours

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could be lost 10 years ago you know or a

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hundred years ago and maybe sometimes

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those things meld and we see people from

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the 1890s you know or the 1960s telling

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us to get out of their house I I think

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some of these extraterrestrial sightings

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it could also be that I mean it's it's

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some of that stuff makes sense because

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of the the black holes I look I'm an

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Einstein guy I I like what he said and

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what he did and some of this one whole

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thing I mean the opening stargates is a

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very likely possible thing but the

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people that report the extraterrestrial

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sightings and I especially pay attention

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to experiencers those who have had

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either benign or positive sightings

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because I'm I'm a good guy and I like

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positive things so I pay attention to

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them but also with abductees and every

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case seems similar in that they're

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communicating with us telepathically and

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you know I look I work with a lot of

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psychics psychics used this thing in

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their brain called the pineal gland it's

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like the third eye you know in

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meditation and things like that it opens

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them up and there's some conspiracy

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theories interestingly enough that's

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to kind of kill that theory you know but

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I just I like to think that if we can

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better use our pineal glands it says

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that there's fluoride in the water these

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conspiracy theories by the way I'm sorry

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I drifted there below and it's TV early

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television is all designed to kill our

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pineal gland so we're more determined to

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follow others and not be individuals but

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be part of a group you know so it's kind

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of interesting to note that some of

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these extraterrestrials especially the

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most positive ones are these light

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beings they don't even need their own

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bodies to travel they can do it with

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their minds and use their minds to

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communicate and these Grey's that

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abductees talk about they function like

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a group of insects almost you know and

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there seems to be a queen bee and

540
00:23:18,819 --> 00:23:16,759
there's drones and there's workers

541
00:23:21,339 --> 00:23:18,829
they're not emotional they're doing

542
00:23:24,190 --> 00:23:21,349
their job it's like the way we would

543
00:23:28,259 --> 00:23:24,200
treat monkeys in a science lab it's kind

544
00:23:31,060 --> 00:23:28,269
of the same thing and you know look if

545
00:23:33,789 --> 00:23:31,070
we're gonna grow to be as advanced as

546
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:33,799
these extraterrestrials seemingly then

547
00:23:38,769 --> 00:23:35,690
we would have to maybe a hundred two

548
00:23:41,889 --> 00:23:38,779
hundred three hundred years from now the

549
00:23:44,019 --> 00:23:41,899
even more superior and they're saying

550
00:23:45,849 --> 00:23:44,029
that our heads will get bigger and our

551
00:23:46,749 --> 00:23:45,859
eyes could get bigger these could be us

552
00:23:50,139 --> 00:23:46,759
from the future

553
00:23:51,969 --> 00:23:50,149
you know recreating their own

554
00:23:54,149 --> 00:23:51,979
great-great-great great-great-great

555
00:23:56,799 --> 00:23:54,159
grandchildren I mean we don't know that

556
00:23:59,709 --> 00:23:56,809
I think I've actually said that before

557
00:24:02,199 --> 00:23:59,719
only only because I was listening to a

558
00:24:05,589 --> 00:24:02,209
scientists talk about you know the

559
00:24:07,599 --> 00:24:05,599
difference in a billion years from now

560
00:24:08,469 --> 00:24:07,609
is like a difference of a million years

561
00:24:12,159 --> 00:24:08,479
in the past

562
00:24:14,709 --> 00:24:12,169
that we will be unrecognizable you know

563
00:24:19,209 --> 00:24:14,719
I mean if if the evolution if evolution

564
00:24:22,089 --> 00:24:19,219
you know moves forward it's just natural

565
00:24:24,309 --> 00:24:22,099
science that we will be completely what

566
00:24:24,860 --> 00:24:24,319
we're not if you actually survive that

567
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:24,870
is

568
00:24:29,750 --> 00:24:27,090
well yeah and it doesn't look likely and

569
00:24:33,020 --> 00:24:29,760
and look I saw the show the other night

570
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:33,030
about the end of days and and yeah you

571
00:24:37,610 --> 00:24:35,010
look from ancient times so you know

572
00:24:40,610 --> 00:24:37,620
you've got Hopi Indians and all these

573
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:40,620
are the Egyptians and and you know all

574
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:43,290
these ancient societies that all had

575
00:24:47,540 --> 00:24:45,090
kind of their in today's thing and it's

576
00:24:50,780 --> 00:24:47,550
very similar to you know the Bible then

577
00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:50,790
the the New Testament and the Quran each

578
00:24:55,220 --> 00:24:53,370
have their own version but in each

579
00:24:57,530 --> 00:24:55,230
version they're the good guys who are

580
00:24:59,540 --> 00:24:57,540
alive at the end and for everybody to

581
00:25:02,090 --> 00:24:59,550
come together as a society that's the

582
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:02,100
Antichrist so that can't happen because

583
00:25:06,669 --> 00:25:03,690
whoever makes that happen as the

584
00:25:10,100 --> 00:25:06,679
ultimate evil so it's really set up to

585
00:25:12,410 --> 00:25:10,110
us not to survive as a society and in

586
00:25:14,450 --> 00:25:12,420
order to do that once we genetically

587
00:25:17,210 --> 00:25:14,460
create and I boy I hate to say that

588
00:25:19,510 --> 00:25:17,220
because Martin Lee I mean we could be

589
00:25:22,340 --> 00:25:19,520
the last real human beings in existence

590
00:25:24,530 --> 00:25:22,350
for all we know we don't know if they've

591
00:25:26,990 --> 00:25:24,540
really cloned us yet or what they're

592
00:25:29,360 --> 00:25:27,000
doing with that technology which they do

593
00:25:31,910 --> 00:25:29,370
have and look it's banned in this

594
00:25:35,030 --> 00:25:31,920
country but not around the world so they

595
00:25:36,830 --> 00:25:35,040
could already be a better stronger

596
00:25:39,020 --> 00:25:36,840
smarter us that they're working on and

597
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:39,030
once they do that the best way to

598
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:41,490
survive as a new society in a superior

599
00:25:46,669 --> 00:25:44,250
society it's to function like insects

600
00:25:49,490 --> 00:25:46,679
like bees like ants where they function

601
00:25:52,220 --> 00:25:49,500
is one brain you know and there's no

602
00:25:54,290 --> 00:25:52,230
good or evil in any of these encounters

603
00:25:56,030 --> 00:25:54,300
and I don't know you probably have heard

604
00:25:58,610 --> 00:25:56,040
differently but in all the people that

605
00:26:01,030 --> 00:25:58,620
I've talked to both with abductee and

606
00:26:04,970 --> 00:26:01,040
experienced or type of you know

607
00:26:06,740 --> 00:26:04,980
encounters they seem to think that there

608
00:26:09,590 --> 00:26:06,750
is no good and evil in any of these

609
00:26:11,630 --> 00:26:09,600
beings you know they're either here to

610
00:26:13,730 --> 00:26:11,640
help us are here to hurt us but it's not

611
00:26:15,530 --> 00:26:13,740
like personal or there's no Supreme

612
00:26:17,780 --> 00:26:15,540
Being and if there is it's a queen bee

613
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:17,790
type of thing you know but it

614
00:26:22,790 --> 00:26:20,970
there's no good and evil in the in the

615
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:22,800
extraterrestrial community seemingly

616
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:25,050
just like there's no good and evil in

617
00:26:32,630 --> 00:26:30,650
universe with planets and stars you know

618
00:26:37,790 --> 00:26:32,640
so what do you what do you think about

619
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:37,800
the singularity theory are you familiar

620
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:41,010
with that you remind me please well it's

621
00:26:47,540 --> 00:26:44,250
basically where man and machine kind of

622
00:26:50,090 --> 00:26:47,550
emerge oh man no I hope that doesn't

623
00:26:53,510 --> 00:26:50,100
happen that can't go well it just simply

624
00:26:56,500 --> 00:26:53,520
can't go on and they just I saw today

625
00:27:00,260 --> 00:26:56,510
they have a Mercedes that drives itself

626
00:27:03,620 --> 00:27:00,270
well they've had an Audi and BMW drive

627
00:27:05,510 --> 00:27:03,630
themselves actually they had a car go

628
00:27:06,830 --> 00:27:05,520
with a driver in it but from coast to

629
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:06,840
coast I think it has something to do

630
00:27:13,550 --> 00:27:10,730
with the something Google was doing and

631
00:27:15,830 --> 00:27:13,560
completely untouched you know by human

632
00:27:17,690 --> 00:27:15,840
has just it went on its own really oh

633
00:27:20,630 --> 00:27:17,700
yeah there was a driver inside just in

634
00:27:23,270 --> 00:27:20,640
case just in case if that scares the

635
00:27:26,300 --> 00:27:23,280
heck out of me and I saw a cartoon of

636
00:27:28,100 --> 00:27:26,310
all things called wall-e and it was a

637
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:28,110
futuristic type of thing where robots

638
00:27:32,210 --> 00:27:30,330
cleaned up our garbage and we couldn't

639
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:32,220
even walk because we're in these flying

640
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:34,650
machines with computers just you know

641
00:27:37,970 --> 00:27:36,330
glued to our computers and our phones

642
00:27:39,380 --> 00:27:37,980
because we didn't have to there was

643
00:27:41,630 --> 00:27:39,390
nothing for us to do everything's

644
00:27:44,390 --> 00:27:41,640
automated so there's no need for us to

645
00:27:47,930 --> 00:27:44,400
work and we just became this kind of

646
00:27:50,750 --> 00:27:47,940
narcissistic waste of a pleasure-seeking

647
00:27:53,120 --> 00:27:50,760
society and look I'm a pleasure seeker

648
00:27:54,980 --> 00:27:53,130
so I I don't want to give that a bad rep

649
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:54,990
you know but that scared the daylights

650
00:27:58,880 --> 00:27:57,090
out of me because that's closer to truth

651
00:28:01,520 --> 00:27:58,890
than any movie that I've seen about the

652
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:01,530
future you know and when a cartoon kind

653
00:28:07,220 --> 00:28:03,690
of out does yes a good science fiction

654
00:28:09,460 --> 00:28:07,230
that's some scary stuff you know I like

655
00:28:12,470 --> 00:28:09,470
what Stephen Hawking thinks you know

656
00:28:14,690 --> 00:28:12,480
that with the either singularity or

657
00:28:16,610 --> 00:28:14,700
trying to reach out to other societies I

658
00:28:18,230 --> 00:28:16,620
have a little difficulty with that one

659
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:18,240
because I think there are some good ones

660
00:28:23,390 --> 00:28:20,490
out there just by probability alone

661
00:28:25,700 --> 00:28:23,400
there has to be some you know one of the

662
00:28:28,610 --> 00:28:25,710
things he says that that I never really

663
00:28:30,620 --> 00:28:28,620
liked it's like only kook's and nuts you

664
00:28:34,490 --> 00:28:30,630
know see those you know that that parts

665
00:28:37,250 --> 00:28:34,500
not so good but I like that I'll happily

666
00:28:38,860 --> 00:28:37,260
be a coconut in that case you know you

667
00:28:41,090 --> 00:28:38,870
gotta wear it with some pride I think

668
00:28:42,220 --> 00:28:41,100
because look you have to think outside

669
00:28:45,590 --> 00:28:42,230
of the box

670
00:28:46,940 --> 00:28:45,600
yeah well yeah that that's for sure well

671
00:28:50,210 --> 00:28:46,950
let's let's talk a little bit about

672
00:28:51,650 --> 00:28:50,220
you're talking about abductees because I

673
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:51,660
actually have a friend that she might

674
00:28:55,490 --> 00:28:53,250
even be listening tonight she listens to

675
00:28:58,550 --> 00:28:55,500
the ship every show and she is studying

676
00:29:00,170 --> 00:28:58,560
right now she had a she had a major

677
00:29:02,780 --> 00:29:00,180
sighting or a couple of them when she

678
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:02,790
was young and we were actually born on

679
00:29:12,170 --> 00:29:06,770
the very same day on the very same hour

680
00:29:15,020 --> 00:29:12,180
very same city Boston that's cool in the

681
00:29:17,300 --> 00:29:15,030
very same line of work kind of yeah we

682
00:29:18,650 --> 00:29:17,310
just kind of she found me on Facebook

683
00:29:20,690 --> 00:29:18,660
and you know listened to the show and

684
00:29:22,010 --> 00:29:20,700
saw my birth date and then we started

685
00:29:24,170 --> 00:29:22,020
talking it was like where were you born

686
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:24,180
Boston where were you born Boston wasn't

687
00:29:32,090 --> 00:29:27,210
I were you born nine nine thirty

688
00:29:34,220 --> 00:29:32,100
I was born at 9 but there's no way she

689
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:34,230
is right now studying to be a

690
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:36,930
hypnotherapist and oh nice and wants to

691
00:29:43,070 --> 00:29:41,010
get involved with with the abductees now

692
00:29:45,020 --> 00:29:43,080
I want to I want to talk to you first of

693
00:29:46,010 --> 00:29:45,030
all going back to your childhood I just

694
00:29:50,930 --> 00:29:46,020
want to know where you grew up

695
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:50,940
oh I grew up in New Albany New York it's

696
00:29:56,060 --> 00:29:53,250
a suburb of Albany it's the capital of

697
00:30:00,500 --> 00:29:56,070
the Empire State it's a kind of midway

698
00:30:03,020 --> 00:30:00,510
between New York City and Montreal kind

699
00:30:05,060 --> 00:30:03,030
of dead center between them and a very

700
00:30:08,110 --> 00:30:05,070
dull community really because we're the

701
00:30:10,550 --> 00:30:08,120
political capital you know so

702
00:30:13,490 --> 00:30:10,560
politicians get in trouble and none of

703
00:30:17,810 --> 00:30:13,500
us can act that way ever again so kind

704
00:30:21,290 --> 00:30:17,820
of a dull place but yeah but at least we

705
00:30:23,030 --> 00:30:21,300
had a couple of UFO sightings someone

706
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:23,040
wants to know on the board and it may

707
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:24,210
even be the person I'm talking about

708
00:30:31,610 --> 00:30:28,130
here is nice she wants to know how many

709
00:30:36,530 --> 00:30:31,620
let's see how many hypnotherapy sessions

710
00:30:39,170 --> 00:30:36,540
do you do with a client well it really

711
00:30:43,310 --> 00:30:39,180
depends because there are different

712
00:30:47,180 --> 00:30:43,320
focuses I you know my my main focuses

713
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:47,190
were past life regression and and some

714
00:30:50,810 --> 00:30:49,290
of that is kind of similar to the

715
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:50,820
techniques they use when they talk to

716
00:30:58,190 --> 00:30:54,810
abductees look and look there's wait

717
00:31:02,720 --> 00:30:58,200
and smoking cessation and pain

718
00:31:05,090 --> 00:31:02,730
management or you know feeling better

719
00:31:07,670 --> 00:31:05,100
about your job performance or confidence

720
00:31:10,070 --> 00:31:07,680
and things of that nature but when

721
00:31:12,290 --> 00:31:10,080
you're talking to an abductee and I I

722
00:31:13,700 --> 00:31:12,300
want to kind of keep it for at least for

723
00:31:17,710 --> 00:31:13,710
the listeners sake and for your friends

724
00:31:24,620 --> 00:31:21,560
look I've seen it on documentaries you

725
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:24,630
know there's these guys that the

726
00:31:29,540 --> 00:31:26,610
experience was so traumatic that they

727
00:31:32,870 --> 00:31:29,550
blocked it out right and that kind of

728
00:31:34,540 --> 00:31:32,880
hysterical dissociative it's it's a

729
00:31:38,660 --> 00:31:34,550
neurotic reaction actually it's in the

730
00:31:42,710 --> 00:31:38,670
DSM it's like it's a psychiatric manual

731
00:31:44,510 --> 00:31:42,720
as a disorder so it's very you have to

732
00:31:46,310 --> 00:31:44,520
be kind of tender and bringing these

733
00:31:48,230 --> 00:31:46,320
things back in but a lot of

734
00:31:50,990 --> 00:31:48,240
non-believers watching will say well

735
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:51,000
it's a very suggestive process so of

736
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:52,290
course they're gonna make up a story

737
00:31:57,470 --> 00:31:54,690
because you tell them to make a story up

738
00:32:00,530 --> 00:31:57,480
and and here's the the thing especially

739
00:32:04,970 --> 00:32:00,540
for your friend that's listening you

740
00:32:10,190 --> 00:32:04,980
really have to watch your language so

741
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:10,200
you don't have them create a memory you

742
00:32:14,690 --> 00:32:12,330
have to keep the language very plain as

743
00:32:17,510 --> 00:32:14,700
you bring them under and look hypnosis

744
00:32:19,580 --> 00:32:17,520
is not the spooky thing I mean if you

745
00:32:22,580 --> 00:32:19,590
drive from Boston to New York City

746
00:32:24,590 --> 00:32:22,590
Martin and and you know three hours go

747
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:24,600
by and you go wow that was quick it was

748
00:32:28,550 --> 00:32:26,730
like I wasn't even thinking and all of a

749
00:32:31,460 --> 00:32:28,560
sudden I'm here well you've been in a

750
00:32:33,890 --> 00:32:31,470
hypnotic state most of the things that

751
00:32:36,380 --> 00:32:33,900
we do we're doing with our subconscious

752
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:36,390
mind tying our shoes using silverware

753
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:38,610
when we eat these are all things that we

754
00:32:42,950 --> 00:32:40,290
learned at a young age and now they're

755
00:32:45,260 --> 00:32:42,960
kind of we do it automatically so that's

756
00:32:46,850 --> 00:32:45,270
a subconscious process really our

757
00:32:49,850 --> 00:32:46,860
subconscious mind is in charge

758
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:49,860
ninety-five percent of the time and it's

759
00:32:54,290 --> 00:32:52,530
this supercomputer basically that keeps

760
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:54,300
track of all of our senses everything

761
00:32:59,540 --> 00:32:56,970
we've ever seen smell felt tasted or

762
00:33:02,170 --> 00:32:59,550
touch it's in there supercomputer but

763
00:33:05,660 --> 00:33:02,180
this supercomputer has the emotional

764
00:33:08,540 --> 00:33:05,670
inability of maybe a two-year-old child

765
00:33:15,260 --> 00:33:08,550
and it's being safeguarded

766
00:33:19,549 --> 00:33:15,270
by this judgment belief you know things

767
00:33:22,070 --> 00:33:19,559
that you grew up taught you know to

768
00:33:24,380 --> 00:33:22,080
believe or not to believe you know we

769
00:33:26,540 --> 00:33:24,390
might have religion that tells us we

770
00:33:28,580 --> 00:33:26,550
can't think about certain things because

771
00:33:30,140 --> 00:33:28,590
that's evil and you can't get involved

772
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:30,150
in them we have friends and neighbors

773
00:33:34,910 --> 00:33:32,850
would say the same thing so you know

774
00:33:36,950 --> 00:33:34,920
really your own experience anything that

775
00:33:40,820 --> 00:33:36,960
you experience comes from all this stuff

776
00:33:44,090 --> 00:33:40,830
and all that stuff is blocking the

777
00:33:46,340 --> 00:33:44,100
supercomputer even though it's used 95%

778
00:33:49,730 --> 00:33:46,350
of the time so you have to use some very

779
00:33:52,730 --> 00:33:49,740
ginger and special ways to get through

780
00:33:59,240 --> 00:33:52,740
that cloud of judgment and belief and

781
00:34:01,160 --> 00:33:59,250
relax your patient into kind of a very

782
00:34:03,110 --> 00:34:01,170
relaxed state and there are some people

783
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:03,120
who well you'll never hypnotize me

784
00:34:07,370 --> 00:34:05,370
because I'm always thinking so you have

785
00:34:10,270 --> 00:34:07,380
them do a mathematical problem in their

786
00:34:13,369 --> 00:34:10,280
head while you're feeding them this

787
00:34:16,220 --> 00:34:13,379
information it's all about relaxation I

788
00:34:19,570 --> 00:34:16,230
mean really that's it you get them to

789
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:19,580
relax and and you can focus on

790
00:34:25,700 --> 00:34:23,850
reprogramming that supercomputer so you

791
00:34:28,460 --> 00:34:25,710
allow it to not want to have a cigarette

792
00:34:31,639 --> 00:34:28,470
or not want to eat so much or to go back

793
00:34:34,010 --> 00:34:31,649
to a previous life and the thing is and

794
00:34:35,510 --> 00:34:34,020
I'll tell you I thought that was the

795
00:34:37,490 --> 00:34:35,520
biggest bunk in the world past life

796
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:37,500
regression hypnosis I I thought it was

797
00:34:43,790 --> 00:34:39,330
the dumbest thing I ever heard back when

798
00:34:45,859 --> 00:34:43,800
I was in college what it's really about

799
00:34:49,490 --> 00:34:45,869
it's actually kind of a cathartic

800
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:49,500
process you know because you can answer

801
00:34:57,950 --> 00:34:51,690
questions that have been puzzling you

802
00:35:01,550 --> 00:34:57,960
all your life and so it kind of shows

803
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:01,560
holes you know and I don't want to get

804
00:35:05,990 --> 00:35:03,810
into it too much but all I can say is

805
00:35:08,060 --> 00:35:06,000
once I've learned the process it doesn't

806
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:08,070
matter if they've actually had this for

807
00:35:12,470 --> 00:35:10,170
my life personally I do believe in it

808
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:12,480
from what I've worked with with spirit

809
00:35:17,030 --> 00:35:14,850
mediums and you know psychics and even

810
00:35:19,340 --> 00:35:17,040
paranormal investigators you know there

811
00:35:21,620 --> 00:35:19,350
is something to that and it is very

812
00:35:23,540 --> 00:35:21,630
possible and that kind of goes into the

813
00:35:26,450 --> 00:35:23,550
ghosts versus UFO thing we'll talk about

814
00:35:29,330 --> 00:35:26,460
a little while but here when you see

815
00:35:32,359 --> 00:35:29,340
somebody on a documentary getting

816
00:35:33,859 --> 00:35:32,369
somebody who's been an abductee who's

817
00:35:37,790 --> 00:35:33,869
blocked it out traumatically

818
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:37,800
it's a very ginger thing you know in the

819
00:35:43,430 --> 00:35:39,650
hypnosis community especially in

820
00:35:45,890 --> 00:35:43,440
hypnotherapy it's very dangerous to work

821
00:35:50,359 --> 00:35:45,900
with people who have been diagnosed as

822
00:35:56,060 --> 00:35:50,369
bipolar or psychotic and nothing against

823
00:35:58,250 --> 00:35:56,070
my bipolar and psychotic for everybody's

824
00:36:02,930 --> 00:35:58,260
got some good sides to them you know

825
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:02,940
that's that's my thing but people see

826
00:36:06,470 --> 00:36:04,650
this and say well do you know it's there

827
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:06,480
it's a suggestive thing and of course

828
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:08,850
they're creating it but no because these

829
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:11,130
these hypnotherapists that have worked

830
00:36:15,530 --> 00:36:12,810
on these abductees to get these

831
00:36:18,890 --> 00:36:15,540
traumatic things out it's a very

832
00:36:20,780 --> 00:36:18,900
specialized and ginger process and the

833
00:36:23,240 --> 00:36:20,790
people that are studying hypnotherapy

834
00:36:25,730 --> 00:36:23,250
how to learn a lot of psychology and

835
00:36:28,220 --> 00:36:25,740
even psychiatry you know and some of

836
00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:28,230
some of even the basic things so you

837
00:36:34,790 --> 00:36:31,680
know where the boundaries are and you

838
00:36:40,220 --> 00:36:34,800
can even use a subliminal thing you know

839
00:36:44,180 --> 00:36:40,230
if you say going deeper you can hide it

840
00:36:47,900 --> 00:36:44,190
and you know you're thinking about a

841
00:36:50,930 --> 00:36:47,910
coffee cup and you are looking at that

842
00:36:54,650 --> 00:36:50,940
coffee cup and as you think about that

843
00:36:57,740 --> 00:36:54,660
you go deeper so those four accentuated

844
00:37:01,010 --> 00:36:57,750
words that you are going deeper or kind

845
00:37:03,620 --> 00:37:01,020
of supplanted in in your method there's

846
00:37:06,500 --> 00:37:03,630
I mean there's so much to this that I

847
00:37:09,980 --> 00:37:06,510
really have to kind of defend the

848
00:37:12,349 --> 00:37:09,990
process and I actually think not only is

849
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:12,359
it actually happening and these people

850
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:15,090
are really they're not making this stuff

851
00:37:20,090 --> 00:37:17,970
up because they're told to we have to

852
00:37:22,370 --> 00:37:20,100
watch that language very carefully we

853
00:37:27,500 --> 00:37:22,380
have to make sure that we keep them from

854
00:37:29,690 --> 00:37:27,510
suggestibility but allow them to feel

855
00:37:32,030 --> 00:37:29,700
relaxed about some of the things that

856
00:37:34,070 --> 00:37:32,040
have been haunting them kind of like the

857
00:37:34,550 --> 00:37:34,080
past life regression hypnosis it's a

858
00:37:37,010 --> 00:37:34,560
very

859
00:37:38,930 --> 00:37:37,020
Arctic type of thing and even though you

860
00:37:41,090 --> 00:37:38,940
see the guys in some of these documented

861
00:37:42,830 --> 00:37:41,100
here they're crying and all that you

862
00:37:45,710 --> 00:37:42,840
know they're they're meeting kids with

863
00:37:48,590 --> 00:37:45,720
graves and you know that and remembering

864
00:37:51,110 --> 00:37:48,600
being stabbed and hurtin you know all

865
00:37:53,450 --> 00:37:51,120
these things with these non emotive

866
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:53,460
beings you know working on their

867
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:55,290
reproductive system for you without

868
00:38:00,320 --> 00:37:57,210
their permission and stealing them from

869
00:38:02,390 --> 00:38:00,330
their homes I mean you know look I would

870
00:38:04,370 --> 00:38:02,400
love to meet an extraterrestrial someday

871
00:38:06,530 --> 00:38:04,380
I think it would be an honor but I don't

872
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:06,540
think I'd like to be prodded you know

873
00:38:13,460 --> 00:38:09,090
like some of these people or or you know

874
00:38:16,610 --> 00:38:13,470
just abducted without permission so if

875
00:38:18,860 --> 00:38:16,620
you assume that it's true and it has

876
00:38:21,380 --> 00:38:18,870
happened to these people and again we're

877
00:38:24,410 --> 00:38:21,390
talking about if they come out you know

878
00:38:26,270 --> 00:38:24,420
to anybody friends neighbors you know

879
00:38:29,470 --> 00:38:26,280
who are they gonna tell cops you know

880
00:38:32,570 --> 00:38:29,480
the their pastors or priests or whatever

881
00:38:38,660 --> 00:38:32,580
you know I mean they're going to take

882
00:38:40,940 --> 00:38:38,670
some flak and and their authority in

883
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:40,950
society is going to be clouded by that

884
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:43,770
so it's kind of a thing where you can't

885
00:38:49,490 --> 00:38:47,490
win you know for losing a couple things

886
00:38:52,190 --> 00:38:49,500
first of all sure thanks for all that

887
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:52,200
explanation and I I have to say you know

888
00:38:55,700 --> 00:38:54,210
I'm not afraid to say this that I've

889
00:38:59,120 --> 00:38:55,710
never said it on the show or anything

890
00:39:01,160 --> 00:38:59,130
but you know I did go to therapy I did

891
00:39:04,730 --> 00:39:01,170
not have the best of childhood so I went

892
00:39:07,460 --> 00:39:04,740
to therapy for a good a good while and I

893
00:39:09,650 --> 00:39:07,470
I know that I was led astray by that

894
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:09,660
therapist you know I'm so sorry

895
00:39:16,790 --> 00:39:13,530
well psychology but I'm not big on the

896
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:16,800
practice I think no seriously and I'm

897
00:39:22,190 --> 00:39:19,170
not afraid to say it look I I would I

898
00:39:23,900 --> 00:39:22,200
worked in a non-profit teaching computer

899
00:39:24,590 --> 00:39:23,910
skills and vocational skills to

900
00:39:26,810 --> 00:39:24,600
schizophrenic

901
00:39:30,050 --> 00:39:26,820
you know and there are such a stigma

902
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:30,060
against schizophrenic again they can't

903
00:39:35,180 --> 00:39:32,490
win for losing and in the most primitive

904
00:39:40,250 --> 00:39:35,190
tribal societies if somebody has a

905
00:39:42,260 --> 00:39:40,260
psychotic thing you know a psychotic

906
00:39:45,620 --> 00:39:42,270
break the entire community comes

907
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:45,630
together and it's none of the

908
00:39:50,809 --> 00:39:47,970
haters are addressed or blamed on the

909
00:39:52,940 --> 00:39:50,819
person it's it's an evil spirit so the

910
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:52,950
entire community comes together with a

911
00:39:58,130 --> 00:39:55,410
medicine man or shaman and very

912
00:40:00,950 --> 00:39:58,140
nurturing factor you know the support

913
00:40:03,529 --> 00:40:00,960
and nurturing is there and they can

914
00:40:06,829 --> 00:40:03,539
eliminate this behavior and drive that

915
00:40:09,410 --> 00:40:06,839
evil spirit out in a matter of weeks or

916
00:40:12,019 --> 00:40:09,420
days so they've basically cured a

917
00:40:14,420 --> 00:40:12,029
psychotic illness in less than a month

918
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:14,430
here in this society with the way we

919
00:40:17,269 --> 00:40:15,930
treat it where if you think there's

920
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:17,279
something wrong with you you have to go

921
00:40:22,220 --> 00:40:19,650
to somebody smarter than you to say oh

922
00:40:24,829 --> 00:40:22,230
yeah you're screwed up yeah how are you

923
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:24,839
gonna come out of that our psychotic

924
00:40:31,910 --> 00:40:28,410
disorders have an average cure ratio of

925
00:40:37,069 --> 00:40:31,920
27 years brother because the way that

926
00:40:38,660 --> 00:40:37,079
therapy works or doesn't work well I

927
00:40:41,450 --> 00:40:38,670
just thought I'd chime in you know

928
00:40:44,930 --> 00:40:41,460
because of you you're long-winded guy

929
00:40:47,690 --> 00:40:44,940
and that's good because when I ever I

930
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:47,700
need you back again and I need to fill

931
00:40:52,670 --> 00:40:50,490
some time oh yeah I'm just using you man

932
00:40:55,549 --> 00:40:52,680
but no just say chip how you doing and

933
00:40:57,890 --> 00:40:55,559
you've got three hours you know but I

934
00:40:59,779 --> 00:40:57,900
know I wanted I didn't want to leave me

935
00:41:01,880 --> 00:40:59,789
you know hanging when I just said that

936
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:01,890
over remark I also want to say that I

937
00:41:06,890 --> 00:41:04,410
ended up going to someone that corrected

938
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:06,900
all the time I lost and everything so it

939
00:41:11,390 --> 00:41:08,930
ended up being a really good thing I

940
00:41:13,759 --> 00:41:11,400
didn't recognize what I was going to get

941
00:41:16,549 --> 00:41:13,769
at and my point is I wasn't recognizing

942
00:41:18,799 --> 00:41:16,559
that this was happening that I was being

943
00:41:20,450 --> 00:41:18,809
led down a wrong path and I started

944
00:41:25,130 --> 00:41:20,460
believing things that never really

945
00:41:29,210 --> 00:41:25,140
happened to me and all that and the

946
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:29,220
truth the truth is tough nobody yeah but

947
00:41:35,930 --> 00:41:31,890
but the bottom line is I wonder that

948
00:41:38,390 --> 00:41:35,940
must happen if someone is not really on

949
00:41:42,829 --> 00:41:38,400
them on the mark with hypnotherapy and

950
00:41:47,829 --> 00:41:42,839
let me just ask you this I think that

951
00:41:52,759 --> 00:41:47,839
it's very possible that some people that

952
00:41:57,650 --> 00:41:52,769
use hypnotherapy on abductees possibly

953
00:41:59,210 --> 00:41:57,660
do lead them I'm not saying that I'm not

954
00:42:01,280 --> 00:41:59,220
saying that burly and all

955
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:01,290
or something but I'm saying that some of

956
00:42:06,290 --> 00:42:04,170
them I'm sure do because it's just kind

957
00:42:08,210 --> 00:42:06,300
of human nature if you're not yeah I

958
00:42:10,099 --> 00:42:08,220
know but I I'm saying for the sake of

959
00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:10,109
the documentaries that I've seen look

960
00:42:14,450 --> 00:42:12,240
there's some good documentaries out

961
00:42:16,220 --> 00:42:14,460
there now I mean really good pretty much

962
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:16,230
from 2008 up

963
00:42:20,930 --> 00:42:18,330
they've been next level and you watched

964
00:42:22,700 --> 00:42:20,940
some of them and you go oh my god you

965
00:42:25,700 --> 00:42:22,710
know what kind of world do I live in I

966
00:42:27,109 --> 00:42:25,710
mean I I absolutely believe I think a

967
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:27,119
hundred percent of the people in this

968
00:42:30,770 --> 00:42:28,650
country believe that their government

969
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:30,780
has lied to them one way or another even

970
00:42:36,170 --> 00:42:33,690
though statistics say about 70 percent I

971
00:42:38,270 --> 00:42:36,180
think it's a hundred percent you know so

972
00:42:40,370 --> 00:42:38,280
you just really never know but in a

973
00:42:41,180 --> 00:42:40,380
situation like that admittedly look it's

974
00:42:45,380 --> 00:42:41,190
a crapshoot

975
00:42:48,380 --> 00:42:45,390
you know but I think that we're all born

976
00:42:50,900 --> 00:42:48,390
with instinct even if we come in to

977
00:42:53,420 --> 00:42:50,910
where we are now a little broken you

978
00:42:53,900 --> 00:42:53,430
know look everybody's broken in one way

979
00:42:56,150 --> 00:42:53,910
or another

980
00:42:59,450 --> 00:42:56,160
everybody has been traumatized or hurt

981
00:43:02,210 --> 00:42:59,460
or feels inferior and the reality is

982
00:43:06,170 --> 00:43:02,220
that we all want to be respected you

983
00:43:09,470 --> 00:43:06,180
know heard that believed you know and

984
00:43:12,109 --> 00:43:09,480
this is it's just not set up for that to

985
00:43:15,890 --> 00:43:12,119
happen right but I think that we all if

986
00:43:17,420 --> 00:43:15,900
we really think about it do have this

987
00:43:19,820 --> 00:43:17,430
thing called the sixth sense it's really

988
00:43:21,980 --> 00:43:19,830
a gut feeling you kind of know when

989
00:43:25,730 --> 00:43:21,990
you're walking into trouble before it

990
00:43:29,510 --> 00:43:25,740
happens I think anybody could agree with

991
00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:29,520
that now I just you know yeah I have to

992
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:31,440
cut in here because we have we have like

993
00:43:35,720 --> 00:43:34,410
20 minutes left and no we have like

994
00:43:40,190 --> 00:43:35,730
something really important to talk about

995
00:43:42,050 --> 00:43:40,200
yes we do sorry I just want to change

996
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:42,060
the course a little bit you kind of have

997
00:43:45,500 --> 00:43:44,130
to with me but that's okay well no that

998
00:43:47,450 --> 00:43:45,510
was all that was all very fascinating

999
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:47,460
I'm not really sure what I think about

1000
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:49,770
past lives and I know last time I said

1001
00:43:53,329 --> 00:43:51,810
that on this show I got some email I

1002
00:43:57,109 --> 00:43:53,339
actually got an email from a scientist

1003
00:43:59,480 --> 00:43:57,119
that supports a show and saying you know

1004
00:44:01,760 --> 00:43:59,490
that he actually believed in it and I

1005
00:44:04,070 --> 00:44:01,770
thought that wow amazing Wow

1006
00:44:07,310 --> 00:44:04,080
so but I'm not really sure I'm on the

1007
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:07,320
fence about that but also the the person

1008
00:44:11,599 --> 00:44:09,570
I was talking about earlier that's going

1009
00:44:12,289 --> 00:44:11,609
through hypnotherapy is doing some work

1010
00:44:13,999 --> 00:44:12,299
on that as well

1011
00:44:16,459 --> 00:44:14,009
so I'm gonna be talking to her about

1012
00:44:18,319 --> 00:44:16,469
that yeah good for her I think it's cool

1013
00:44:19,879 --> 00:44:18,329
that she listens to the podcast I think

1014
00:44:22,489 --> 00:44:19,889
it's cool that you were born at the same

1015
00:44:24,409 --> 00:44:22,499
time in the same area I mean you know

1016
00:44:26,479 --> 00:44:24,419
how many of us can find somebody like

1017
00:44:28,099 --> 00:44:26,489
that especially with such similar

1018
00:44:31,189 --> 00:44:28,109
interests it's almost like a twin

1019
00:44:33,499 --> 00:44:31,199
connection of sorts yeah there's a

1020
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:33,509
message up on the message board then I

1021
00:44:37,669 --> 00:44:35,729
just they just want to clarify this

1022
00:44:38,989 --> 00:44:37,679
before we move on to the next subject

1023
00:44:40,609 --> 00:44:38,999
I'm sorry I'm getting a little pushy

1024
00:44:42,799 --> 00:44:40,619
here but we're I don't want to run out

1025
00:44:44,829 --> 00:44:42,809
of time do you think that all mental

1026
00:44:46,219 --> 00:44:44,839
illness is caused by evil spirits

1027
00:44:49,429 --> 00:44:46,229
absolutely not

1028
00:44:51,499 --> 00:44:49,439
no okay absolutely to clarify that no

1029
00:44:53,749 --> 00:44:51,509
I'm just saying that in primitive

1030
00:44:55,639 --> 00:44:53,759
society what the societies that we think

1031
00:44:57,469 --> 00:44:55,649
of as primitive you know they can

1032
00:44:59,629 --> 00:44:57,479
actually cure a psychotic illness in a

1033
00:45:03,499 --> 00:44:59,639
series of months where here it takes you

1034
00:45:06,079 --> 00:45:03,509
know decades and and it's because they

1035
00:45:07,729 --> 00:45:06,089
don't treat the behavior of the person

1036
00:45:09,859 --> 00:45:07,739
is wrong they don't treat the person

1037
00:45:11,869 --> 00:45:09,869
who's broken right if they think that

1038
00:45:15,309 --> 00:45:11,879
there is something beside the person

1039
00:45:19,459 --> 00:45:15,319
that causes that and the belief system

1040
00:45:22,219 --> 00:45:19,469
helps that unconscious mind subconscious

1041
00:45:25,879 --> 00:45:22,229
mind say you know what they're right I'm

1042
00:45:27,799 --> 00:45:25,889
wrong and the behavior stops I just

1043
00:45:30,289 --> 00:45:27,809
think it's kind of miraculous and in it

1044
00:45:31,939 --> 00:45:30,299
and it should be a lesson to the way we

1045
00:45:35,539 --> 00:45:31,949
treat our mentally ill that's all I had

1046
00:45:38,899 --> 00:45:35,549
to say back right okay so let's move on

1047
00:45:42,439 --> 00:45:38,909
and yeah this is a pretty exciting topic

1048
00:45:45,739 --> 00:45:42,449
because yeah and I'll just paraphrase we

1049
00:45:49,609 --> 00:45:45,749
had said before and that is which is

1050
00:45:51,529 --> 00:45:49,619
gonna get the proof first UFOs or ghosts

1051
00:45:52,969 --> 00:45:51,539
and and I don't know how you came up

1052
00:45:55,089 --> 00:45:52,979
with that topic but I want to hear what

1053
00:45:57,489 --> 00:45:55,099
you have to say about it well I've been

1054
00:46:00,949 --> 00:45:57,499
doing articles for a magazine called

1055
00:46:02,809 --> 00:46:00,959
supernatural magazine and it's going to

1056
00:46:05,749 --> 00:46:02,819
be my next article so I've been working

1057
00:46:08,179 --> 00:46:05,759
on it and look I'm primarily a ghost guy

1058
00:46:10,279 --> 00:46:08,189
but I pay a lot of attention to the UFO

1059
00:46:12,409 --> 00:46:10,289
community because there's a responsible

1060
00:46:13,099 --> 00:46:12,419
radio host you know you have to get into

1061
00:46:15,529 --> 00:46:13,109
these things

1062
00:46:17,389 --> 00:46:15,539
yeah there's an astronomy guy and now I

1063
00:46:19,699 --> 00:46:17,399
know everything about astronomy you know

1064
00:46:23,299 --> 00:46:19,709
rock jack of all trades master of most

1065
00:46:25,630 --> 00:46:23,309
of them because I just have the time and

1066
00:46:28,010 --> 00:46:25,640
effort to do that sort of thing

1067
00:46:30,590 --> 00:46:28,020
there you go two paranormal conventions

1068
00:46:32,750 --> 00:46:30,600
you go to UFO conventions and it's

1069
00:46:34,430 --> 00:46:32,760
always kind of on the table you know

1070
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:34,440
what do you think is gonna get proven

1071
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:35,970
first ghosts of UFOs and the ghost

1072
00:46:39,860 --> 00:46:38,010
people say all ghosts you know because

1073
00:46:41,330 --> 00:46:39,870
we're in there trying to look for them

1074
00:46:43,940 --> 00:46:41,340
and we know what we're doing and we'll

1075
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:43,950
figure it out which I even though I'm

1076
00:46:49,340 --> 00:46:46,410
with them don't believe and the new

1077
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:49,350
autologous and I I actually believe that

1078
00:46:54,290 --> 00:46:51,570
the answer is pretty clear and I think

1079
00:46:57,650 --> 00:46:54,300
it's easy and I do think it's UFOs and

1080
00:46:59,990 --> 00:46:57,660
look what but you have to think of the

1081
00:47:01,790 --> 00:47:00,000
ramifications of each and I'll speak to

1082
00:47:04,580 --> 00:47:01,800
ghosts first we do have a couple of

1083
00:47:05,720 --> 00:47:04,590
minutes on to work on that there are a

1084
00:47:07,220 --> 00:47:05,730
lot of different things that ghosts

1085
00:47:09,590 --> 00:47:07,230
could be and there's a lot of different

1086
00:47:11,330 --> 00:47:09,600
ghostly type of things and look I've

1087
00:47:13,670 --> 00:47:11,340
worked with spirit mediums I was

1088
00:47:15,980 --> 00:47:13,680
actually a tool just one for about seven

1089
00:47:17,810 --> 00:47:15,990
years that's a story for another show no

1090
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:17,820
no I just want to know what is attuned

1091
00:47:24,170 --> 00:47:21,810
to one means all I spoke to dead people

1092
00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:24,180
for a while I asked them some very

1093
00:47:29,060 --> 00:47:26,730
detailed questions and look you know it

1094
00:47:31,340 --> 00:47:29,070
is what it is I I lost a lot of friends

1095
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:31,350
so I let it go and it's kind of ironic

1096
00:47:36,620 --> 00:47:34,170
because you know seven years later no

1097
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:36,630
I'm a radio guy representing spirit

1098
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:38,490
mediums and ghost hunters you know so

1099
00:47:44,150 --> 00:47:41,490
and I I can't get it back

1100
00:47:46,190 --> 00:47:44,160
I just can't now you know and it's kind

1101
00:47:48,170 --> 00:47:46,200
of it's a sad thing but I ask very

1102
00:47:50,300 --> 00:47:48,180
detailed questions when I did have that

1103
00:47:53,030 --> 00:47:50,310
ability and look you know you can

1104
00:47:54,740 --> 00:47:53,040
believe it or not but you know just

1105
00:47:57,710 --> 00:47:54,750
these are things that I experienced and

1106
00:48:00,350 --> 00:47:57,720
and ghosts is a different kind of energy

1107
00:48:02,210 --> 00:48:00,360
and and there I think I don't like the

1108
00:48:05,450 --> 00:48:02,220
practice I think they're doing it kind

1109
00:48:08,030 --> 00:48:05,460
of wrong because for somebody to be in a

1110
00:48:11,290 --> 00:48:08,040
house in it and maybe at a different

1111
00:48:14,750 --> 00:48:11,300
time or secondary dimension or a ghost

1112
00:48:16,430 --> 00:48:14,760
and have trespassers come in on your

1113
00:48:18,590 --> 00:48:16,440
property you know that you built with

1114
00:48:20,690 --> 00:48:18,600
your blood sweat and tears and call you

1115
00:48:22,670 --> 00:48:20,700
evil or think that you're going to push

1116
00:48:24,380 --> 00:48:22,680
them down a flight of stairs well what

1117
00:48:26,330 --> 00:48:24,390
would you do I'd push them down to

1118
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:26,340
places here you know these people are

1119
00:48:29,630 --> 00:48:27,570
coming into my house with all this

1120
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:29,640
equipment that I had never seen before

1121
00:48:34,550 --> 00:48:32,370
they're like aliens you know I'd want to

1122
00:48:37,220 --> 00:48:34,560
get him out of there if I was from 1890

1123
00:48:38,720 --> 00:48:37,230
or 1950 so you think of them with

1124
00:48:40,250 --> 00:48:38,730
respect you talk to them

1125
00:48:42,109 --> 00:48:40,260
in the language in the culture of the

1126
00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:42,119
time period where do you think they

1127
00:48:45,589 --> 00:48:43,680
originated you do research on the

1128
00:48:47,329 --> 00:48:45,599
property think who could be there and

1129
00:48:49,339 --> 00:48:47,339
try to communicate with them

1130
00:48:51,230 --> 00:48:49,349
that's a communicating with an

1131
00:48:53,270 --> 00:48:51,240
interdimensional being it's very similar

1132
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:53,280
to extraterrestrial I don't really see

1133
00:48:56,510 --> 00:48:54,810
that much difference between the two

1134
00:49:00,050 --> 00:48:56,520
because if you can communicate

1135
00:49:02,329 --> 00:49:00,060
successfully and in a respectful and

1136
00:49:05,359 --> 00:49:02,339
nurturing manner you know that's the

1137
00:49:07,970 --> 00:49:05,369
dream and look I don't want to prove

1138
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:07,980
ghosts but I will say this in order to

1139
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:10,770
prove the existence of ghosts you kind

1140
00:49:14,510 --> 00:49:12,210
of have to tell every religious

1141
00:49:16,670 --> 00:49:14,520
community that they're wrong because it

1142
00:49:19,460 --> 00:49:16,680
basically says that it doesn't matter

1143
00:49:21,890 --> 00:49:19,470
what you do how you behave in life he

1144
00:49:24,290 --> 00:49:21,900
will still go on and you will be with

1145
00:49:27,339 --> 00:49:24,300
like-minded people wherever you go and

1146
00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:27,349
you will be taught and you will have

1147
00:49:33,530 --> 00:49:30,089
multiple lifetimes to learn all the

1148
00:49:36,079 --> 00:49:33,540
lessons in life the way we look at time

1149
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:36,089
you know the past is behind us the

1150
00:49:41,510 --> 00:49:37,770
future is not yet here so everything is

1151
00:49:43,339 --> 00:49:41,520
moments and we're so time conscious that

1152
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:43,349
the moments are urgent we have to know

1153
00:49:47,660 --> 00:49:45,450
the emotional things now well you know

1154
00:49:49,339 --> 00:49:47,670
we have to have answers now so if we're

1155
00:49:52,069 --> 00:49:49,349
trying to talk with people who might

1156
00:49:54,260 --> 00:49:52,079
have died then we think of them in our

1157
00:49:56,210 --> 00:49:54,270
living State with all this urgency and

1158
00:49:57,859 --> 00:49:56,220
if they're dead they don't their hearts

1159
00:50:00,380 --> 00:49:57,869
aren't beating anymore and things are

1160
00:50:02,780 --> 00:50:00,390
really relaxed with them so the grudge's

1161
00:50:05,450 --> 00:50:02,790
don't count anymore all they really want

1162
00:50:06,950 --> 00:50:05,460
is people they're connected with and

1163
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:06,960
they want to watch over them it's kind

1164
00:50:10,550 --> 00:50:08,970
of a guardian angel thing they don't

1165
00:50:12,230 --> 00:50:10,560
have supernatural abilities and they're

1166
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:12,240
not automatically psychic just because

1167
00:50:15,500 --> 00:50:14,130
they're dead they really haven't changed

1168
00:50:17,750 --> 00:50:15,510
all that much from when they were alive

1169
00:50:19,309 --> 00:50:17,760
so if they're a little grumpy when

1170
00:50:21,319 --> 00:50:19,319
they're alive they'll be a little grumpy

1171
00:50:23,180 --> 00:50:21,329
when they're dead you know if they were

1172
00:50:24,770 --> 00:50:23,190
really nice when alive they'll be really

1173
00:50:27,349 --> 00:50:24,780
nice when they're dead if they were a

1174
00:50:29,270 --> 00:50:27,359
serial killer when alive then well they

1175
00:50:32,540 --> 00:50:29,280
can't kill you they can't really harm

1176
00:50:34,940 --> 00:50:32,550
you but the whole thing is in order to

1177
00:50:37,370 --> 00:50:34,950
prove the belief of ghosts you have to

1178
00:50:39,500 --> 00:50:37,380
pretty much wipe away all the faith in

1179
00:50:42,589 --> 00:50:39,510
the world because all the faith in the

1180
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:42,599
world is saying no our guy says you know

1181
00:50:48,079 --> 00:50:45,810
he's the only one that you know died and

1182
00:50:49,910 --> 00:50:48,089
came back and we can't do that and we

1183
00:50:51,530 --> 00:50:49,920
can't talk to people who did that and

1184
00:50:52,250 --> 00:50:51,540
you know that's just wrong that's just

1185
00:50:54,170 --> 00:50:52,260
even when it's

1186
00:50:57,170 --> 00:50:54,180
not happening and you know we have to

1187
00:50:59,300 --> 00:50:57,180
live our own lives and watch our sinful

1188
00:51:01,220 --> 00:50:59,310
behaviors and our good behaviors and

1189
00:51:05,540 --> 00:51:01,230
yadda-yadda on the other hand what's

1190
00:51:08,330 --> 00:51:05,550
UFOs now if you think of it we've had a

1191
00:51:10,850 --> 00:51:08,340
Canadian Minister of Defense who spoke

1192
00:51:13,490 --> 00:51:10,860
in Parliament saying that he was

1193
00:51:15,980 --> 00:51:13,500
personally aware that the major

1194
00:51:18,710 --> 00:51:15,990
governments of the world since the mid

1195
00:51:20,510 --> 00:51:18,720
1940s or so really when we started

1196
00:51:23,300 --> 00:51:20,520
working with or thinking about working

1197
00:51:25,670 --> 00:51:23,310
on nuclear armaments you know we had the

1198
00:51:27,620 --> 00:51:25,680
Roswell thing and basically since then

1199
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:27,630
they've been in lead with our major

1200
00:51:32,720 --> 00:51:30,810
governments we're swapping technology

1201
00:51:34,820 --> 00:51:32,730
and letting them play with our people

1202
00:51:37,460 --> 00:51:34,830
because we don't care about our people

1203
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:37,470
we care about technology we want

1204
00:51:42,770 --> 00:51:39,810
antigravity first you know we want

1205
00:51:46,370 --> 00:51:42,780
stealth first these things we want

1206
00:51:48,590 --> 00:51:46,380
interstellar travel you know we want

1207
00:51:50,270 --> 00:51:48,600
that kind of technology so they're kind

1208
00:51:52,100 --> 00:51:50,280
of joining us along this guy says

1209
00:51:54,350 --> 00:51:52,110
there's like 20 different species that

1210
00:51:57,230 --> 00:51:54,360
he's personally you know familiar with

1211
00:51:58,310 --> 00:51:57,240
then he got a guy recently about a month

1212
00:52:01,370 --> 00:51:58,320
ago two months ago

1213
00:52:04,430 --> 00:52:01,380
well maybe longer on his deathbed he

1214
00:52:07,010 --> 00:52:04,440
confessed he worked in area 51 he was

1215
00:52:10,070 --> 00:52:07,020
this aeronautical engineer at Lockheed

1216
00:52:12,590 --> 00:52:10,080
Martin and other places and said it was

1217
00:52:15,710 --> 00:52:12,600
more like 27 different species some he

1218
00:52:17,180 --> 00:52:15,720
actually worked with that were like 250

1219
00:52:20,450 --> 00:52:17,190
years of age or older

1220
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:20,460
and some are going to be good to us some

1221
00:52:24,590 --> 00:52:22,650
don't care about us you know they are

1222
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:24,600
who they are but we're in league with

1223
00:52:29,240 --> 00:52:26,970
them and have these kinds of things

1224
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:29,250
being told to us and to see these

1225
00:52:34,310 --> 00:52:32,010
stories on the internet daily about you

1226
00:52:36,590 --> 00:52:34,320
know you look at the Mars thing and look

1227
00:52:38,750 --> 00:52:36,600
we talked about the scientific aspects

1228
00:52:40,790 --> 00:52:38,760
of that today but do you see oh there's

1229
00:52:43,490 --> 00:52:40,800
a statue there and there's a coffin

1230
00:52:45,740 --> 00:52:43,500
there and you know here's evidence that

1231
00:52:48,050 --> 00:52:45,750
there were species there and you know

1232
00:52:49,940 --> 00:52:48,060
most of these are either for

1233
00:52:52,130 --> 00:52:49,950
photographic anomalies or somebody's

1234
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:52,140
imagination you know we look at stuff we

1235
00:52:55,730 --> 00:52:53,490
make patterns out of them that's what

1236
00:52:58,490 --> 00:52:55,740
our brains do right but if you're going

1237
00:53:00,440 --> 00:52:58,500
to prepare the people for disclosure

1238
00:53:03,500 --> 00:53:00,450
that's the way you do it

1239
00:53:04,859 --> 00:53:03,510
so it may be in full swing already and

1240
00:53:06,509 --> 00:53:04,869
and by the

1241
00:53:09,660 --> 00:53:06,519
time they come out with it say ten years

1242
00:53:12,870 --> 00:53:09,670
even from now most of us will be used to

1243
00:53:15,450 --> 00:53:12,880
the idea because we're in this in web

1244
00:53:17,460 --> 00:53:15,460
you know and everybody knows everything

1245
00:53:20,099 --> 00:53:17,470
now you can't hide anything from anybody

1246
00:53:21,720 --> 00:53:20,109
what's really kind of stinks for the

1247
00:53:24,420 --> 00:53:21,730
news but I can't watch the news anymore

1248
00:53:25,589 --> 00:53:24,430
they have to go TMI on us you know they

1249
00:53:28,349 --> 00:53:25,599
have to show too much information

1250
00:53:29,970 --> 00:53:28,359
because if they don't people find it on

1251
00:53:31,859 --> 00:53:29,980
the Internet and that's what they're

1252
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:31,869
competing with so it makes the news

1253
00:53:36,660 --> 00:53:34,930
really hard to watch yeah ChIP chip but

1254
00:53:38,339 --> 00:53:36,670
just interrupt you a little bit sure now

1255
00:53:39,989 --> 00:53:38,349
probably have to do that when I close

1256
00:53:42,650 --> 00:53:39,999
out someone on the chatroom wants to

1257
00:53:45,450 --> 00:53:42,660
know what type of coffee you drink but

1258
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:45,460
actually redbull don't a redbull okay

1259
00:53:50,789 --> 00:53:47,410
yeah I might have to take that before my

1260
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:50,799
next show you know a couple of things

1261
00:53:55,049 --> 00:53:53,170
you just said I just wanted to just talk

1262
00:53:58,650 --> 00:53:55,059
about quickly and that it's a first of

1263
00:54:02,329 --> 00:53:58,660
all Paul Hellyer it actually he and I

1264
00:54:06,809 --> 00:54:02,339
communicate I know I like that and and

1265
00:54:08,549 --> 00:54:06,819
he has many times slated for the show

1266
00:54:10,710 --> 00:54:08,559
and just has not made it and hopefully

1267
00:54:12,630 --> 00:54:10,720
he'll be on sooner or later it's a

1268
00:54:14,970 --> 00:54:12,640
little bit controversial what what he

1269
00:54:17,069 --> 00:54:14,980
has said this is just in ufology in

1270
00:54:18,749 --> 00:54:17,079
general a little bit controversial the

1271
00:54:21,059 --> 00:54:18,759
things that he said I would let him

1272
00:54:23,579 --> 00:54:21,069
speak anyway and say his piece and also

1273
00:54:26,299 --> 00:54:23,589
about the deathbed confession there's

1274
00:54:31,069 --> 00:54:26,309
this controversy about that too there's

1275
00:54:35,069 --> 00:54:31,079
you know as as you know as I know

1276
00:54:37,319 --> 00:54:35,079
nothing is is really a hundred percent

1277
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:37,329
clear under type of things you know I

1278
00:54:43,259 --> 00:54:41,410
mean the interesting story but there was

1279
00:54:45,890 --> 00:54:43,269
some there's a there's been a little

1280
00:54:49,559 --> 00:54:45,900
backlash about both of those people

1281
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:49,569
especially Paul Hellyer and which you

1282
00:54:55,559 --> 00:54:52,450
know very prestigious he had a very

1283
00:54:57,569 --> 00:54:55,569
prestigious position we with the

1284
00:54:59,039 --> 00:54:57,579
government he was very very

1285
00:55:01,559 --> 00:54:59,049
well-connected he's a nice gentleman

1286
00:55:03,140 --> 00:55:01,569
he's sharp he's very sharp for ninety

1287
00:55:07,499 --> 00:55:03,150
years old I believe that's what he is

1288
00:55:11,039 --> 00:55:07,509
but but he has he has definitely without

1289
00:55:13,950 --> 00:55:11,049
a doubt made some some far reaches and

1290
00:55:16,019 --> 00:55:13,960
some assumptions yeah you know it's very

1291
00:55:17,250 --> 00:55:16,029
it's an interesting guy and look he's

1292
00:55:19,590 --> 00:55:17,260
authoritative but

1293
00:55:22,500 --> 00:55:19,600
even for me in my mid-50s he's little

1294
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:22,510
old-school you know and I'm looking yeah

1295
00:55:28,170 --> 00:55:25,810
you have to look I'm I I don't get along

1296
00:55:29,820 --> 00:55:28,180
with you know all the 20 year old kids

1297
00:55:31,650 --> 00:55:29,830
out there but I have to get along with

1298
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:31,660
some I have a daughter that age you know

1299
00:55:36,810 --> 00:55:34,450
I'm keeping my eye on so I have to learn

1300
00:55:38,130 --> 00:55:36,820
her community in order to do that we've

1301
00:55:40,109 --> 00:55:38,140
been the cool parents in the

1302
00:55:41,490 --> 00:55:40,119
neighborhood you know but he also have

1303
00:55:44,190 --> 00:55:41,500
to pay attention and they're very

1304
00:55:46,650 --> 00:55:44,200
different than you know people at my age

1305
00:55:48,720 --> 00:55:46,660
group is and so they're there's some

1306
00:55:51,390 --> 00:55:48,730
distance between what we will accept or

1307
00:55:54,420 --> 00:55:51,400
not accept and even me is a bit liberal

1308
00:55:59,220 --> 00:55:54,430
you know for it for that level but you

1309
00:56:01,260 --> 00:55:59,230
know somebody at Paul's age and look I'm

1310
00:56:04,170 --> 00:56:01,270
not saying anything against him because

1311
00:56:06,210 --> 00:56:04,180
look he's one of my heroes truly but I

1312
00:56:08,370 --> 00:56:06,220
have to say in this internet day and age

1313
00:56:09,990 --> 00:56:08,380
you know everything you have to take

1314
00:56:12,690 --> 00:56:10,000
with grain of salt and I have read some

1315
00:56:14,790 --> 00:56:12,700
articles that are disparaging with

1316
00:56:17,340 --> 00:56:14,800
regard to the canadian prime minister or

1317
00:56:21,599 --> 00:56:17,350
the minister of defense rather and the

1318
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:21,609
guy's deathbed confession but the news

1319
00:56:25,260 --> 00:56:23,530
organizations that that brought these

1320
00:56:27,510 --> 00:56:25,270
stories out are the things that i pay

1321
00:56:30,180 --> 00:56:27,520
attention to and look some have a lot of

1322
00:56:32,130 --> 00:56:30,190
kind of wishy-washy stuff where you know

1323
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:32,140
they're really trying to sell the you

1324
00:56:36,810 --> 00:56:34,210
know blogs or magazines or whatever and

1325
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:36,820
some have been authoritative figures and

1326
00:56:40,890 --> 00:56:38,890
and wouldn't really publish this stuff

1327
00:56:44,730 --> 00:56:40,900
and unless they felt good about it and

1328
00:56:47,340 --> 00:56:44,740
you see the kind of news organizations

1329
00:56:49,170 --> 00:56:47,350
they carry those stories and that's why

1330
00:56:51,450 --> 00:56:49,180
i tend to believe them as especially

1331
00:56:54,240 --> 00:56:51,460
when some of the documents i've seen

1332
00:56:57,740 --> 00:56:54,250
with experiencers and abductees or or

1333
00:57:00,210 --> 00:56:57,750
people that have been in classified

1334
00:57:02,490 --> 00:57:00,220
government organizations that are coming

1335
00:57:06,750 --> 00:57:02,500
out now you know there's a lot of risk

1336
00:57:08,550 --> 00:57:06,760
in doing that so it really depends you

1337
00:57:12,300 --> 00:57:08,560
know we're just about out of time chip

1338
00:57:14,430 --> 00:57:12,310
huh how can someone find you oh it's

1339
00:57:17,790 --> 00:57:14,440
kind of hard to do unfortunately at the

1340
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:17,800
moment i i'm on facebook at chip Reich

1341
00:57:21,930 --> 00:57:19,450
and Thal and chip you know like potato

1342
00:57:24,570 --> 00:57:21,940
chip or computer chip it's chip and why

1343
00:57:29,010 --> 00:57:24,580
consol is like the Third Reich which I

1344
00:57:30,830 --> 00:57:29,020
hate to say our AI CH and then II and th

1345
00:57:34,220 --> 00:57:30,840
al actually there's good in for

1346
00:57:36,430 --> 00:57:34,230
about me on the podcast page so they can

1347
00:57:39,350 --> 00:57:36,440
they can find me or at least my book

1348
00:57:42,260 --> 00:57:39,360
through the podcast page I'm on LinkedIn

1349
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:42,270
chip I can throw on Facebook I'm on

1350
00:57:46,010 --> 00:57:43,650
Twitter

1351
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:46,020
well you can't victims of retail

1352
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:48,570
actually about my old band name I'm

1353
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:50,010
changing all of that in a couple of

1354
00:57:53,780 --> 00:57:52,050
months I'm starting a website and and

1355
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:53,790
it'll be easier to find me but meantime

1356
00:57:57,800 --> 00:57:56,610
that's probably the best way and you can

1357
00:58:01,280 --> 00:57:57,810
email me if you want

1358
00:58:04,460 --> 00:58:01,290
victims of retail at yahoo.com that's my

1359
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:04,470
band name victims as plural victims of

1360
00:58:09,260 --> 00:58:07,290
retail we all are you know it's kind of

1361
00:58:10,340 --> 00:58:09,270
my collective harmony type of thing I

1362
00:58:13,220 --> 00:58:10,350
guess we are yeah

1363
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:13,230
so this has been a this has been a lot

1364
00:58:17,750 --> 00:58:15,330
of fun and I had just one more thing are

1365
00:58:20,540 --> 00:58:17,760
you planning to write another book at

1366
00:58:23,420 --> 00:58:20,550
any point on a couple of books and a

1367
00:58:26,090 --> 00:58:23,430
couple of the next one is actually a

1368
00:58:29,270 --> 00:58:26,100
sequel to my current book but I'm adding

1369
00:58:31,220 --> 00:58:29,280
some UFOs to it very interesting the

1370
00:58:33,500 --> 00:58:31,230
first book was really about spirit

1371
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:33,510
medium and handling a murder mystery and

1372
00:58:40,820 --> 00:58:36,210
the sequel has him having to chase a

1373
00:58:44,030 --> 00:58:40,830
ghost who convinced this guy who was

1374
00:58:46,970 --> 00:58:44,040
alleged to be mentally let's say

1375
00:58:49,070 --> 00:58:46,980
deranged it was his brother to him

1376
00:58:51,500 --> 00:58:49,080
suicided and the spirit of his brother

1377
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:51,510
told him to kill a police officer who is

1378
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:53,850
the partner of the homicide investigator

1379
00:59:00,320 --> 00:58:55,770
who is the main character in my first

1380
00:59:02,690 --> 00:59:00,330
book okay by the way can you make that

1381
00:59:04,460 --> 00:59:02,700
get a UFO in the book doughnut-shaped

1382
00:59:11,300 --> 00:59:04,470
one like mari island for anything

1383
00:59:16,060 --> 00:59:11,310
anything for you and i also named you it

1384
00:59:21,740 --> 00:59:19,520
well hey chip thanks so much and we'll

1385
00:59:24,740 --> 00:59:21,750
have you back you're you're a good guy a

1386
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:24,750
friend and and i'd love to have you back

1387
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:27,450
on sometime it's always a pleasure and

1388
00:59:32,810 --> 00:59:29,610
an honor brother III love talking with

1389
00:59:35,810 --> 00:59:32,820
you thank you so much we are going to be

1390
00:59:37,850 --> 00:59:35,820
right back this is just a little bit

1391
00:59:39,830 --> 00:59:37,860
tricky for us here because we usually

1392
00:59:41,510 --> 00:59:39,840
don't switch guests in the middle but

1393
01:01:32,450 --> 00:59:41,520
I'm gonna try this hopefully it all work

1394
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:35,790
Rob Mercer how are you I'm not doing too

1395
01:01:43,140 --> 01:01:39,370
bad thank you for for joining us in our

1396
01:01:45,390 --> 01:01:43,150
to and this is your first time you've

1397
01:01:49,110 --> 01:01:45,400
ever been on a show am i right

1398
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:49,120
yes that's it and let's let's first of

1399
01:01:52,590 --> 01:01:50,770
all before we get into why you're here

1400
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:52,600
what why don't you tell the listening

1401
01:01:57,150 --> 01:01:54,490
audience and I I'm actually seeing you

1402
01:01:59,160 --> 01:01:57,160
on video here we're and you can actually

1403
01:02:01,350 --> 01:01:59,170
shut that off if you wanted to all you

1404
01:02:02,700 --> 01:02:01,360
have to do is hover over with your mouse

1405
01:02:04,770 --> 01:02:02,710
and you'll see a little camera and just

1406
01:02:07,590 --> 01:02:04,780
click it off and that way we'll have a

1407
01:02:09,180 --> 01:02:07,600
much clearer signal that's because I saw

1408
01:02:13,410 --> 01:02:09,190
the picture of UFOs and your background

1409
01:02:15,780 --> 01:02:13,420
there okay yeah why don't you tell the

1410
01:02:18,210 --> 01:02:15,790
listening audience who you are okay my

1411
01:02:20,100 --> 01:02:18,220
name is Rob Mercer I'm MUFON field

1412
01:02:22,370 --> 01:02:20,110
investigator and stay Section director

1413
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:22,380
here in the southwestern part of Ohio

1414
01:02:30,420 --> 01:02:28,690
I'm doing it for a few years that's

1415
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:30,430
pretty much the extent of it also

1416
01:02:33,510 --> 01:02:32,050
I've been following you athos my whole

1417
01:02:35,070 --> 01:02:33,520
life reading about him you know

1418
01:02:36,930 --> 01:02:35,080
everything I could find on him and

1419
01:02:38,850 --> 01:02:36,940
what's kind of led me to what I have to

1420
01:02:41,700 --> 01:02:38,860
share on here now

1421
01:02:46,470 --> 01:02:41,710
what got you started in the fascination

1422
01:02:46,700 --> 01:02:46,480
with UFOs to begin with was really into

1423
01:02:52,710 --> 01:02:46,710
it

1424
01:02:55,230 --> 01:02:52,720
used to do talk about and every time he

1425
01:02:58,400 --> 01:02:55,240
came over now how did mom and dad feel

1426
01:03:01,800 --> 01:02:58,410
about that oh no they didn't seem care

1427
01:03:03,210 --> 01:03:01,810
when I was young they I personally

1428
01:03:05,700 --> 01:03:03,220
myself I've never had one that I

1429
01:03:09,930 --> 01:03:05,710
couldn't figure out yet they did we were

1430
01:03:13,620 --> 01:03:09,940
in bed one night back probably back in

1431
01:03:15,780 --> 01:03:13,630
the early 80s but now they did I kind of

1432
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:15,790
kept it to myself and you know did it in

1433
01:03:19,380 --> 01:03:17,770
my own time I had a big family I always

1434
01:03:21,390 --> 01:03:19,390
like to hear about sightings do you mind

1435
01:03:26,390 --> 01:03:21,400
did you have any details of what your

1436
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:26,400
parents saw Champaign County Ohio and

1437
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:28,690
they were in the middle of night they

1438
01:03:33,150 --> 01:03:30,130
saw a light out in the backyard now I

1439
01:03:36,750 --> 01:03:33,160
just remember brief parts of it but they

1440
01:03:38,460 --> 01:03:36,760
saw a light hovering over the house and

1441
01:03:41,850 --> 01:03:38,470
I don't have an exact time as far as

1442
01:03:44,370 --> 01:03:41,860
year to do any investigating myself I

1443
01:03:46,590 --> 01:03:44,380
would like to but it's something I need

1444
01:03:48,300 --> 01:03:46,600
to work on us try to my mom's no longer

1445
01:03:50,180 --> 01:03:48,310
around but work with my dad to try to

1446
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:50,190
find out a little better details on that

1447
01:03:54,450 --> 01:03:52,330
mm-hmm

1448
01:03:56,130 --> 01:03:54,460
yeah you know a lot of times I'll still

1449
01:03:58,320 --> 01:03:56,140
you know you've hear you hear people say

1450
01:04:00,120 --> 01:03:58,330
something like oh you know they'll

1451
01:04:02,300 --> 01:04:00,130
remember something wrong well I'm

1452
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:02,310
telling you when it's such a traumatic

1453
01:04:07,500 --> 01:04:05,290
situation you pretty much I believe you

1454
01:04:12,420 --> 01:04:07,510
pretty much remember quite a bit about

1455
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:12,430
the details about it the next day I was

1456
01:04:22,170 --> 01:04:15,130
just so young that I didn't write down

1457
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:22,180
the details but they were a statement

1458
01:04:28,860 --> 01:04:26,170
and a half now so your uncle had he had

1459
01:04:31,410 --> 01:04:28,870
a sighting as well remember he did he

1460
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:31,420
was driving home from work and he had

1461
01:04:36,030 --> 01:04:32,650
seen some lights and thought they were

1462
01:04:37,860 --> 01:04:36,040
following him and he was meeting him a

1463
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:37,870
real good friends and I say he was came

1464
01:04:40,770 --> 01:04:39,010
out to my house and was telling me about

1465
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:40,780
it and I remember we went out looking

1466
01:04:44,940 --> 01:04:43,090
for it and from then on he always had a

1467
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:44,950
telescope and you know we was just

1468
01:04:48,990 --> 01:04:46,570
always kind of into the sci-fi thing

1469
01:04:51,510 --> 01:04:49,000
there as far as looking looking for

1470
01:04:55,170 --> 01:04:51,520
things going to different events things

1471
01:04:58,680 --> 01:04:55,180
like that uh-huh so now just for the

1472
01:05:00,630 --> 01:04:58,690
listening audience you can go on our

1473
01:05:03,020 --> 01:05:00,640
website podcast UFO if you scroll down

1474
01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:03,030
into the show notes or on the home page

1475
01:05:10,380 --> 01:05:06,610
the week that this show is running you

1476
01:05:12,530 --> 01:05:10,390
will see a link to Rob's website where

1477
01:05:14,550 --> 01:05:12,540
it has a number of these documents

1478
01:05:17,820 --> 01:05:14,560
posted that we're going to be talking

1479
01:05:21,750 --> 01:05:17,830
about and they are actually Project Blue

1480
01:05:25,290 --> 01:05:21,760
Book files and first of all Rob let's

1481
01:05:27,090 --> 01:05:25,300
talk about this is a Craigslist fine to

1482
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:27,100
begin with the very start of it can you

1483
01:05:34,050 --> 01:05:31,570
tell us what what happened oh yeah right

1484
01:05:35,730 --> 01:05:34,060
about 20 minutes from right Pat and I've

1485
01:05:39,030 --> 01:05:35,740
done service work in the area over

1486
01:05:41,670 --> 01:05:39,040
around there for years so I'm just one

1487
01:05:43,530 --> 01:05:41,680
night well I check all the time on

1488
01:05:45,660 --> 01:05:43,540
Craigslist for UFO collections because

1489
01:05:46,890 --> 01:05:45,670
being in a lot of people's houses over

1490
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:46,900
the years I've seen them I know they

1491
01:05:50,250 --> 01:05:48,850
have them people tend to throw things

1492
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:50,260
out get rid of things when some

1493
01:05:55,590 --> 01:05:52,690
body passes away you know I just

1494
01:05:58,170 --> 01:05:55,600
interrupt you first quick second here is

1495
01:06:00,000 --> 01:05:58,180
I'm I'm more or less like in the antique

1496
01:06:02,250 --> 01:06:00,010
you know fine arts business and I

1497
01:06:04,590 --> 01:06:02,260
checked for antiques and fine art on

1498
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:04,600
Craigslist and all that I'm really into

1499
01:06:09,270 --> 01:06:06,490
UFOs and I've never even once thought of

1500
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:09,280
doing that you may be one of the very

1501
01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:15,850
few people that actually do that this

1502
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:18,130
you know I'm just looking for people's

1503
01:06:21,750 --> 01:06:20,170
other investigators you know you only

1504
01:06:24,300 --> 01:06:21,760
investigate a few years you tend to get

1505
01:06:25,950 --> 01:06:24,310
burned out on it things like that other

1506
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:25,960
people's files but yeah I was very

1507
01:06:31,100 --> 01:06:28,210
surprised that I came across this and on

1508
01:06:35,250 --> 01:06:31,110
my website there I've got an actual

1509
01:06:37,380 --> 01:06:35,260
screenshot of the ad that particular

1510
01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:37,390
night yeah it's down a little bit you

1511
01:06:41,220 --> 01:06:39,130
can see it I guess I better tell you

1512
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:41,230
about that I created that website just

1513
01:06:45,570 --> 01:06:42,850
for the area I'm a MUFON field

1514
01:06:47,610 --> 01:06:45,580
investigator and I'm always part of our

1515
01:06:49,770 --> 01:06:47,620
investigation processes you you check

1516
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:49,780
the internet for correlating cases that

1517
01:06:53,670 --> 01:06:51,730
may have happened around the time of the

1518
01:06:56,330 --> 01:06:53,680
one you're investigating and I start

1519
01:06:58,710 --> 01:06:56,340
noticing that I live in Springfield I

1520
01:07:00,390 --> 01:06:58,720
mean I was never getting cases from this

1521
01:07:02,130 --> 01:07:00,400
area yet I'd get on somewhere like the

1522
01:07:04,650 --> 01:07:02,140
national UFO Reporting Center and they

1523
01:07:06,570 --> 01:07:04,660
just have cases left and right you know

1524
01:07:09,030 --> 01:07:06,580
from around here so I figure I would

1525
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:09,040
create a local website for people in the

1526
01:07:13,860 --> 01:07:11,530
area that would go to maybe to get them

1527
01:07:15,150 --> 01:07:13,870
the kind of report more for us you know

1528
01:07:16,950 --> 01:07:15,160
tell us here are their stories a little

1529
01:07:19,110 --> 01:07:16,960
bit more that's kind of the purpose of

1530
01:07:21,030 --> 01:07:19,120
that website it's that's why it's called

1531
01:07:24,750 --> 01:07:21,040
we're technically called the Miami

1532
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:24,760
Valley and that's what that's for I was

1533
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:25,810
thinking that had something to do with

1534
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:27,850
Miami Florida and I saw that and I

1535
01:07:31,380 --> 01:07:29,890
wonder what the connection was okay you

1536
01:07:33,330 --> 01:07:31,390
would be surprised how many people from

1537
01:07:36,590 --> 01:07:33,340
Florida actually visit that website to

1538
01:07:39,030 --> 01:07:36,600
it they have to make some changes to it

1539
01:07:41,670 --> 01:07:39,040
you know try to link to news I'm trying

1540
01:07:43,050 --> 01:07:41,680
to get people to report to report them

1541
01:07:45,030 --> 01:07:43,060
so they'll be investigated when they see

1542
01:07:47,190 --> 01:07:45,040
things there's I mean a lot I've been

1543
01:07:48,570 --> 01:07:47,200
doing a lot of Blue Book research and

1544
01:07:50,850 --> 01:07:48,580
there's been a lot of cases from around

1545
01:07:53,580 --> 01:07:50,860
this area so I'm just trying to make

1546
01:07:56,100 --> 01:07:53,590
sure I get some of them but that night

1547
01:07:58,380 --> 01:07:56,110
it was in September of 2013 we had had a

1548
01:08:00,260 --> 01:07:58,390
MUFON meeting over over in Columbus and

1549
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:00,270
I was home that night I'm just kind of

1550
01:08:04,940 --> 01:08:02,010
on my mind and I was on Craigslist and

1551
01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:04,950
all I did was under for sale type in UFO

1552
01:08:09,890 --> 01:08:07,170
which I had done under times before and

1553
01:08:11,630 --> 01:08:09,900
I'd seen that ad I don't think I seen it

1554
01:08:14,870 --> 01:08:11,640
on there but it's an ad that said the

1555
01:08:18,559 --> 01:08:14,880
guy had files that had come from it said

1556
01:08:19,940 --> 01:08:18,569
from a captain in Project Blue Book so I

1557
01:08:21,530 --> 01:08:19,950
texted him it was you know about

1558
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:21,540
midnight that night when I texted him

1559
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:23,010
until him to hang on to them till I got

1560
01:08:27,559 --> 01:08:25,890
off work the next day and I drove down

1561
01:08:30,079 --> 01:08:27,569
to look for her down to see him they

1562
01:08:32,329 --> 01:08:30,089
were south of Dayton and sure enough

1563
01:08:35,930 --> 01:08:32,339
it's what he said it was it was a couple

1564
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:35,940
black binders full of photos and what I

1565
01:08:40,190 --> 01:08:38,130
call case they're called case summaries

1566
01:08:42,710 --> 01:08:40,200
are just like the card with the basic

1567
01:08:44,930 --> 01:08:42,720
description of the sighting on them and

1568
01:08:49,610 --> 01:08:44,940
and what the finding was there was a

1569
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:49,620
several boxes of slides there was three

1570
01:08:56,420 --> 01:08:51,930
binders that have basically they go from

1571
01:08:58,010 --> 01:08:56,430
1947 to 1969 in lists every case that

1572
01:09:00,070 --> 01:08:58,020
there is you know that there was for

1573
01:09:02,570 --> 01:09:00,080
blue book now you'll find these online

1574
01:09:04,340 --> 01:09:02,580
but everything's redacted as far as the

1575
01:09:06,170 --> 01:09:04,350
witnesses names oh yeah

1576
01:09:09,140 --> 01:09:06,180
these nothing and this is it's all

1577
01:09:10,490 --> 01:09:09,150
untouched and there was you know some

1578
01:09:13,610 --> 01:09:10,500
other documents and there a lot of files

1579
01:09:15,710 --> 01:09:13,620
in there so the guy gave him what he

1580
01:09:23,599 --> 01:09:15,720
wanted for it I got to hear what it is

1581
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:23,609
how much did you have to pay I'm

1582
01:09:27,140 --> 01:09:25,890
laughing because there's probably a lot

1583
01:09:29,090 --> 01:09:27,150
of people listening to the show right

1584
01:09:32,450 --> 01:09:29,100
now that would pay ten times that and

1585
01:09:36,050 --> 01:09:32,460
you know I probably would be pretty

1586
01:09:38,480 --> 01:09:36,060
close to that there as well so and by

1587
01:09:40,460 --> 01:09:38,490
the way I just want to say on the area

1588
01:09:42,769 --> 01:09:40,470
because I know he's listening is a Chris

1589
01:09:45,440 --> 01:09:42,779
Lambright he's the one who connected you

1590
01:09:50,210 --> 01:09:45,450
and I together who you have spoke with

1591
01:09:51,530 --> 01:09:50,220
and you also have spoke with someone

1592
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:51,540
working he's going to be on the show and

1593
01:09:57,080 --> 01:09:53,850
I don't know maybe two or three weeks

1594
01:09:59,150 --> 01:09:57,090
ray Stanford and we got to hook you up

1595
01:10:03,050 --> 01:09:59,160
with talking to him how I got hooked up

1596
01:10:05,450 --> 01:10:03,060
with Chris yeah ray I not knew much

1597
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:05,460
about Ray before that point but I'd

1598
01:10:09,500 --> 01:10:07,890
found some files in there some some

1599
01:10:13,670 --> 01:10:09,510
paperwork in there that were of interest

1600
01:10:15,500 --> 01:10:13,680
to him with a his story yeah Socorro and

1601
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:15,510
I've got after I'll tell you guys about

1602
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:18,570
those but with those files that I had I

1603
01:10:22,820 --> 01:10:20,970
sat on them for about sick people from

1604
01:10:24,980 --> 01:10:22,830
MUFON over that weekend after how does

1605
01:10:25,970 --> 01:10:24,990
it excited to show them the people that

1606
01:10:28,250 --> 01:10:25,980
have been in the business a lot longer

1607
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:28,260
than me just kind of get their take on

1608
01:10:31,940 --> 01:10:30,410
it so I had three guys over from our

1609
01:10:33,500 --> 01:10:31,950
MUFON leave Ohio

1610
01:10:35,480 --> 01:10:33,510
we spent about eight hours of my

1611
01:10:37,970 --> 01:10:35,490
basement going through them and we were

1612
01:10:40,460 --> 01:10:37,980
convinced when it was over that the guy

1613
01:10:42,140 --> 01:10:40,470
gave I mean we knew the lieutenant that

1614
01:10:44,210 --> 01:10:42,150
they belonged to gave briefings on the

1615
01:10:45,830 --> 01:10:44,220
subject just by documents that were in

1616
01:10:48,530 --> 01:10:45,840
there there were a lot of slides

1617
01:10:51,170 --> 01:10:48,540
explaining statistics and and different

1618
01:10:53,320 --> 01:10:51,180
policies so I just kind of sat on him

1619
01:10:55,490 --> 01:10:53,330
for about nine months after that

1620
01:10:57,920 --> 01:10:55,500
researching him trying to find out who

1621
01:11:00,050 --> 01:10:57,930
he was if he was alive not really

1622
01:11:02,480 --> 01:11:00,060
knowing what to do with not one to get

1623
01:11:05,210 --> 01:11:02,490
him in trouble or anything or have him

1624
01:11:07,730 --> 01:11:05,220
wanting them back from me you know I'd

1625
01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:07,740
even drive by his house where I put the

1626
01:11:12,440 --> 01:11:09,330
story together where they came from the

1627
01:11:14,690 --> 01:11:12,450
garage that they were found in and the

1628
01:11:17,270 --> 01:11:14,700
whole timeline to that knew about where

1629
01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:17,280
he was living you know I Drive by hoping

1630
01:11:20,420 --> 01:11:18,690
to catch him outside just to kind of

1631
01:11:26,030 --> 01:11:20,430
confirm it without calling him and

1632
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:26,040
creeping him out you know he was former

1633
01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:27,690
Air Force I have a friend here a MUFON

1634
01:11:31,070 --> 01:11:29,370
it was former Air Force and we came to

1635
01:11:32,750 --> 01:11:31,080
conclusion that I might have him give

1636
01:11:36,170 --> 01:11:32,760
him a call for me and break the ice and

1637
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:36,180
he wanted to so he gave him a call at

1638
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:38,130
his house here in Fairborn and turned

1639
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:39,690
out him and his wife a divorce several

1640
01:11:43,700 --> 01:11:41,010
years ago and he'd moved out of state

1641
01:11:46,340 --> 01:11:43,710
was wife was nice nice enough to give us

1642
01:11:49,250 --> 01:11:46,350
his phone number where he lived now so

1643
01:11:51,530 --> 01:11:49,260
my friend Pete Pete Arnie are from MUFON

1644
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:51,540
he had called him and talked to him a

1645
01:11:54,410 --> 01:11:52,890
few minutes and called me back and said

1646
01:11:56,630 --> 01:11:54,420
you know lieutenant said to give him a

1647
01:12:00,200 --> 01:11:56,640
call he wants to hear about the stuff he

1648
01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:00,210
found of his so I gave him a call and he

1649
01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:01,770
was a little confused even a few minutes

1650
01:12:05,690 --> 01:12:04,290
later when I called him but once I you

1651
01:12:07,580 --> 01:12:05,700
know explained what happened he

1652
01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:07,590
basically told me how they'd gotten a

1653
01:12:10,820 --> 01:12:09,090
divorce and he'd forgot he left those

1654
01:12:13,970 --> 01:12:10,830
behind forgot they were up in the garage

1655
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:13,980
it was a two-story garage with an attic

1656
01:12:17,570 --> 01:12:15,690
in it the kind of place that you'd store

1657
01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:17,580
stuff for years and years and kind of

1658
01:12:22,820 --> 01:12:19,770
forget to Chad now how old was he when

1659
01:12:26,390 --> 01:12:22,830
he was with Project Blue Book

1660
01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:26,400
because mid to late 20s oh okay and so

1661
01:12:30,510 --> 01:12:27,610
that was 18 69

1662
01:12:32,340 --> 01:12:30,520
so doing when it shut down I'd say he

1663
01:12:37,350 --> 01:12:32,350
was probably about 27 minutes shut down

1664
01:12:39,689 --> 01:12:37,360
28 okay so he is he 70 something yes

1665
01:12:42,479 --> 01:12:39,699
yeah yeah

1666
01:12:44,669 --> 01:12:42,489
is he the number one thing I think of

1667
01:12:47,669 --> 01:12:44,679
when I'm hearing all this I just can't

1668
01:12:49,950 --> 01:12:47,679
help myself but would he be the type of

1669
01:12:53,580 --> 01:12:49,960
person that would actually want to talk

1670
01:12:55,470 --> 01:12:53,590
about this well he doesn't like to talk

1671
01:12:57,750 --> 01:12:55,480
about the program I mean likes to tell

1672
01:12:59,430 --> 01:12:57,760
me you know stuff that went on gives me

1673
01:13:03,689 --> 01:12:59,440
the basics but he doesn't have a good

1674
01:13:06,020 --> 01:13:03,699
memory of a specifics on there I mean

1675
01:13:09,810 --> 01:13:06,030
basically when it shut down and he left

1676
01:13:12,359 --> 01:13:09,820
he did he quit even messing with UFOs he

1677
01:13:13,740 --> 01:13:12,369
went in a fan a sci-fi fan and he told

1678
01:13:16,290 --> 01:13:13,750
me he was going to prove they were real

1679
01:13:18,660 --> 01:13:16,300
but he was there for over two years and

1680
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:18,670
by the time it shut down he he was

1681
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:20,770
convinced otherwise he told me he kind

1682
01:13:24,959 --> 01:13:22,810
of put them all away and I've asked him

1683
01:13:26,910 --> 01:13:24,969
questions about well I mean I asked him

1684
01:13:28,109 --> 01:13:26,920
the most common question you ask

1685
01:13:29,390 --> 01:13:28,119
somebody is you know which what's your

1686
01:13:31,979 --> 01:13:29,400
opinion on Roswell

1687
01:13:37,050 --> 01:13:31,989
and it's honest to god he said he'd

1688
01:13:39,390 --> 01:13:37,060
never heard of Roswell I mean it did go

1689
01:13:43,500 --> 01:13:39,400
you know to one the 70s well that's

1690
01:13:45,390 --> 01:13:43,510
right 99 or something like that yeah and

1691
01:13:47,250 --> 01:13:45,400
I didn't sense that he was lying so it

1692
01:13:48,030 --> 01:13:47,260
did I kind of tend to believe him there

1693
01:13:51,390 --> 01:13:48,040
uh-huh

1694
01:13:52,410 --> 01:13:51,400
as far as that goes and I've asked him

1695
01:13:53,790 --> 01:13:52,420
you know what do you think about you

1696
01:13:56,729 --> 01:13:53,800
know the astronauts and a lot of

1697
01:13:58,260 --> 01:13:56,739
credible people with reports you know I

1698
01:14:00,090 --> 01:13:58,270
mean that's hard to get around you know

1699
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:00,100
you have no reason not to believe him

1700
01:14:03,390 --> 01:14:01,570
and he said he didn't know anything

1701
01:14:07,260 --> 01:14:03,400
about him but he said everybody has an

1702
01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:07,270
ulterior motive huh so I mean yes I

1703
01:14:12,930 --> 01:14:11,170
could not I've seen him a few books you

1704
01:14:14,459 --> 01:14:12,940
know from my collection just to try to

1705
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:14,469
get him to read them and get back into

1706
01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:16,210
it a little bit me not calling from time

1707
01:14:21,419 --> 01:14:20,050
to time but he's uh I don't I'm not

1708
01:14:23,129 --> 01:14:21,429
getting any feedback from him for that

1709
01:14:25,290 --> 01:14:23,139
but he'll talk about some of the cases

1710
01:14:26,790 --> 01:14:25,300
you know from when he was there I can't

1711
01:14:27,810 --> 01:14:26,800
really go back before he was there

1712
01:14:31,260 --> 01:14:27,820
because he doesn't know a whole lot

1713
01:14:33,810 --> 01:14:31,270
about him yeah just what he had he still

1714
01:14:36,180 --> 01:14:33,820
would be he probably does not want to

1715
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:36,190
talk about it at all like especially

1716
01:14:40,390 --> 01:14:37,810
like on the show or something like that

1717
01:14:44,260 --> 01:14:41,979
you know a person if you called it yeah

1718
01:14:46,630 --> 01:14:44,270
person to person but I don't know that

1719
01:14:48,399 --> 01:14:46,640
he would want to come on a show he still

1720
01:14:49,959 --> 01:14:48,409
would if he did he still would be very

1721
01:14:52,419 --> 01:14:49,969
interesting no matter what his employer

1722
01:14:57,090 --> 01:14:52,429
oh yeah he's got a physicists background

1723
01:14:59,439 --> 01:14:57,100
and very smart guy very smart guy but we

1724
01:15:01,290 --> 01:14:59,449
you know we talk a lot about politics

1725
01:15:03,310 --> 01:15:01,300
and a little bit of everything we don't

1726
01:15:05,260 --> 01:15:03,320
specifically talk about UFOs all the

1727
01:15:06,939 --> 01:15:05,270
time but after talking to him my first

1728
01:15:08,860 --> 01:15:06,949
time for an hour so and you know telling

1729
01:15:12,250 --> 01:15:08,870
him what I had he saw how interested I

1730
01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:12,260
was and everything he told me that you

1731
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:13,850
know I've got a few more boxes of that

1732
01:15:17,950 --> 01:15:15,770
stuff that you know but at my house

1733
01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:17,960
where I stay in the summer he said call

1734
01:15:22,570 --> 01:15:19,370
me back in a month or so and I'll mail

1735
01:15:23,979 --> 01:15:22,580
it to you I said okay so you know he

1736
01:15:26,770 --> 01:15:23,989
gave me his number and I called him back

1737
01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:26,780
a few months later and reminded him and

1738
01:15:30,459 --> 01:15:29,210
he remembered and you know he said well

1739
01:15:32,860 --> 01:15:30,469
I got to sort through it it's got a lot

1740
01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:32,870
of trash and junk and stuff and I said

1741
01:15:37,180 --> 01:15:35,690
I'll take anything that you know was Air

1742
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:37,190
Force and Blue Book related and you know

1743
01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:38,690
pencils even doesn't matter

1744
01:15:42,370 --> 01:15:40,730
uh-huh he said okay he said why God you

1745
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:42,380
know is he was eventually promoted to

1746
01:15:48,130 --> 01:15:45,530
captain at a nuke base out west he

1747
01:15:49,959 --> 01:15:48,140
missile launch site he said well I got

1748
01:15:51,550 --> 01:15:49,969
my you know buttons and everything he

1749
01:15:54,490 --> 01:15:51,560
saw only have anybody give him to and he

1750
01:15:56,530 --> 01:15:54,500
sent all that to me and in the boxes

1751
01:16:00,990 --> 01:15:56,540
basically I got three more boxes from

1752
01:16:04,270 --> 01:16:01,000
him the files they were good sized boxes

1753
01:16:06,970 --> 01:16:04,280
full of books and I mean there's not

1754
01:16:08,439 --> 01:16:06,980
every file it's a good collection of

1755
01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:08,449
files a lot of them are just single page

1756
01:16:17,530 --> 01:16:13,210
there's a lot of complete files in there

1757
01:16:20,260 --> 01:16:17,540
yeah how how would someone in his

1758
01:16:22,780 --> 01:16:20,270
position actually take these out of the

1759
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:22,790
office you know I just I just can't see

1760
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:24,890
how that would be possible unless they

1761
01:16:30,189 --> 01:16:27,290
when they closed Project Blue Book in

1762
01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:30,199
1969 they just said they you know take

1763
01:16:35,290 --> 01:16:32,449
whatever you want or what's in your desk

1764
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:35,300
we have the main files or something like

1765
01:16:39,010 --> 01:16:36,650
that how could someone actually take

1766
01:16:40,689 --> 01:16:39,020
those what he had well he said they

1767
01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:40,699
spent a couple weeks declassifying

1768
01:16:44,770 --> 01:16:42,650
everything you know all the devi files

1769
01:16:46,870 --> 01:16:44,780
they had to pitch out because you can't

1770
01:16:49,149 --> 01:16:46,880
they're all they couldn't declassify

1771
01:16:51,850 --> 01:16:49,159
those he said because of can't give away

1772
01:16:53,979 --> 01:16:51,860
locations mm-hmm but everything else

1773
01:16:56,380 --> 01:16:53,989
they Declassified that they could

1774
01:16:59,410 --> 01:16:56,390
and the only thing I've configure is

1775
01:17:02,800 --> 01:16:59,420
some of these I mean everything I have

1776
01:17:06,580 --> 01:17:02,810
file wise you can find the case file

1777
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:06,590
online it may not have I may have you

1778
01:17:10,750 --> 01:17:08,530
know better look quality of pictures

1779
01:17:12,940 --> 01:17:10,760
things like that but they're all on the

1780
01:17:14,920 --> 01:17:12,950
case files themselves are all online so

1781
01:17:18,420 --> 01:17:14,930
I don't think there's nothing in there

1782
01:17:20,770 --> 01:17:18,430
that he didn't you know bring home but

1783
01:17:22,120 --> 01:17:20,780
for a while I was trying to figure it

1784
01:17:24,940 --> 01:17:22,130
out you know is this stuff out of his

1785
01:17:26,200 --> 01:17:24,950
desk and the last time I was talking to

1786
01:17:27,370 --> 01:17:26,210
him he's talking about a little bit more

1787
01:17:29,020 --> 01:17:27,380
I assumed it was because of the

1788
01:17:32,229 --> 01:17:29,030
briefings I've got documents where he's

1789
01:17:34,510 --> 01:17:32,239
had gay he gave briefings on UFOs to the

1790
01:17:36,280 --> 01:17:34,520
Air Force three or four of them I'm sure

1791
01:17:37,900 --> 01:17:36,290
he did more than that I just those are

1792
01:17:39,660 --> 01:17:37,910
just what I have but a lot of it seems

1793
01:17:42,760 --> 01:17:39,670
to be his personal stuff out of his desk

1794
01:17:45,220 --> 01:17:42,770
but also he revealed to me last time I

1795
01:17:47,229 --> 01:17:45,230
was talking to him as he put a press kit

1796
01:17:48,820 --> 01:17:47,239
together when he got there you know the

1797
01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:48,830
press was always going at it with the

1798
01:17:54,070 --> 01:17:52,130
Blue Book staff wanting to see things so

1799
01:17:56,590 --> 01:17:54,080
he would charge himself with putting it

1800
01:17:58,510 --> 01:17:56,600
and I've even got his basically a resume

1801
01:18:00,760 --> 01:17:58,520
he put up of his duties that's in here

1802
01:18:02,350 --> 01:18:00,770
he charged herself with straightening up

1803
01:18:03,940 --> 01:18:02,360
the files a little bit and making it

1804
01:18:08,200 --> 01:18:03,950
easier for the press to come in and look

1805
01:18:13,240 --> 01:18:08,210
at things so when he when he was doing

1806
01:18:15,459 --> 01:18:13,250
that only because that's what the

1807
01:18:17,340 --> 01:18:15,469
lieutenant calls him I'm probably not

1808
01:18:21,250 --> 01:18:17,350
pronouncing it right but it's easier

1809
01:18:22,660 --> 01:18:21,260
that way quinella came in and jumped him

1810
01:18:25,270 --> 01:18:22,670
for doing that basically said you know

1811
01:18:27,370 --> 01:18:25,280
this the press is always on us you know

1812
01:18:28,959 --> 01:18:27,380
don't do anything to help them well he

1813
01:18:30,670 --> 01:18:28,969
did it anyway made him nice and

1814
01:18:32,050 --> 01:18:30,680
organized for them to look at and of

1815
01:18:33,430 --> 01:18:32,060
course then they loved it

1816
01:18:35,979 --> 01:18:33,440
well then he told me that quintanilla

1817
01:18:39,490 --> 01:18:35,989
tried to take the credit for it being

1818
01:18:41,140 --> 01:18:39,500
his idea after that yeah these are I

1819
01:18:47,010 --> 01:18:41,150
think a lot of these are photos that

1820
01:18:52,090 --> 01:18:49,000
some of the numbers on some of these

1821
01:18:55,690 --> 01:18:52,100
files are from the you know the early

1822
01:18:57,580 --> 01:18:55,700
50s three digit case number files I mean

1823
01:18:59,590 --> 01:18:57,590
the files are so old they almost look

1824
01:19:02,260 --> 01:18:59,600
original so it's really hard for me to

1825
01:19:03,850 --> 01:19:02,270
say for sure that's what I kind of my

1826
01:19:05,380 --> 01:19:03,860
ongoing research trying to figure out

1827
01:19:07,160 --> 01:19:05,390
the time period that these were actually

1828
01:19:08,660 --> 01:19:07,170
copied and made I don't know

1829
01:19:10,250 --> 01:19:08,670
some of these are originals and copies

1830
01:19:14,090 --> 01:19:10,260
were made and putting the file more

1831
01:19:16,340 --> 01:19:14,100
organized but I've got you know a lot of

1832
01:19:17,660 --> 01:19:16,350
the early 50s cases on here too that are

1833
01:19:20,120 --> 01:19:17,670
actually complete they're actually in

1834
01:19:22,790 --> 01:19:20,130
brown folders they weren't loose like a

1835
01:19:24,169 --> 01:19:22,800
lot of the other files in there yet if

1836
01:19:28,610 --> 01:19:24,179
you go online you'll see the brown

1837
01:19:30,850 --> 01:19:28,620
folders scanned in on you know full

1838
01:19:33,410 --> 01:19:30,860
three website or the government website

1839
01:19:35,780 --> 01:19:33,420
so there's a lot of I'm still trying to

1840
01:19:38,720 --> 01:19:35,790
figure out the complete system as far as

1841
01:19:40,910 --> 01:19:38,730
that goes but there has been a lot of I

1842
01:19:44,150 --> 01:19:40,920
found things in here that I can't find

1843
01:19:47,570 --> 01:19:44,160
online as far as documents regulations

1844
01:19:49,660 --> 01:19:47,580
office memos lots of things like that

1845
01:19:51,950 --> 01:19:49,670
that came through the system yeah let's

1846
01:19:56,840 --> 01:19:51,960
anything stand out that you would like

1847
01:20:00,200 --> 01:19:56,850
to talk about with with the Socorro case

1848
01:20:03,229 --> 01:20:00,210
and Ray I we had a couple guys from

1849
01:20:06,410 --> 01:20:03,239
MUFON Virginia they were helping James

1850
01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:06,420
Fox do a look up some do some

1851
01:20:11,360 --> 01:20:09,090
researching on Socorro and I contacted

1852
01:20:13,700 --> 01:20:11,370
him telling him about the file I had not

1853
01:20:15,860 --> 01:20:13,710
really knowing what they were looking

1854
01:20:17,479 --> 01:20:15,870
for just kind of basically telling them

1855
01:20:21,110 --> 01:20:17,489
about it and they told me about Ray

1856
01:20:22,910 --> 01:20:21,120
what's prompted me to look into Ray so I

1857
01:20:25,640 --> 01:20:22,920
was reading about him on the internet

1858
01:20:26,990 --> 01:20:25,650
and and I saw his symbol that he had you

1859
01:20:28,610 --> 01:20:27,000
know for years have been saying the

1860
01:20:32,150 --> 01:20:28,620
inverted V with the three lines through

1861
01:20:35,419 --> 01:20:32,160
I know I have seen that in one of these

1862
01:20:37,310 --> 01:20:35,429
books so as I got the my Socorro file

1863
01:20:40,610 --> 01:20:37,320
it's the most complete file I have it's

1864
01:20:44,990 --> 01:20:40,620
a it's all xeroxed it's 100 basically

1865
01:20:47,090 --> 01:20:45,000
170 some pages the complete file and

1866
01:20:51,740 --> 01:20:47,100
inside there are probably I'm guessing

1867
01:20:53,510 --> 01:20:51,750
about 15 pages of notes taken the best

1868
01:20:56,810 --> 01:20:53,520
way I can figure notes taken from

1869
01:20:58,610 --> 01:20:56,820
wright-patterson these memo graphed

1870
01:21:01,040 --> 01:20:58,620
notes are the original they're

1871
01:21:02,330 --> 01:21:01,050
handwritten they're Xerox copies but

1872
01:21:04,970 --> 01:21:02,340
they're handwritten originals and in

1873
01:21:06,590 --> 01:21:04,980
Xerox they see the pages xeroxed and I

1874
01:21:09,709 --> 01:21:06,600
stuck one of them on my website and it's

1875
01:21:14,150 --> 01:21:09,719
actually got the symbol on it and it you

1876
01:21:17,270 --> 01:21:14,160
know talks about sergeant Chavez saying

1877
01:21:18,740 --> 01:21:17,280
that it says Air Force personnel which I

1878
01:21:20,100 --> 01:21:18,750
believe that the original story was

1879
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:20,110
supposed to be army

1880
01:21:26,040 --> 01:21:22,330
captain holder told him but Air Force

1881
01:21:28,110 --> 01:21:26,050
personnel said substitute dissemble that

1882
01:21:30,150 --> 01:21:28,120
doesn't prove you know that that symbol

1883
01:21:32,550 --> 01:21:30,160
that is the truth but they wrote it down

1884
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:32,560
I mean all it it does prove all these

1885
01:21:36,570 --> 01:21:34,930
years that race all that symbol was told

1886
01:21:38,070 --> 01:21:36,580
that symbol if you ask me because all

1887
01:21:41,370 --> 01:21:38,080
the it says on there that the police

1888
01:21:42,840 --> 01:21:41,380
officers told you know the airforce that

1889
01:21:43,380 --> 01:21:42,850
they were told they use a different

1890
01:21:48,140 --> 01:21:43,390
symbol

1891
01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:48,150
down there right yeah and there are also

1892
01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:50,770
real good quality pictures that came

1893
01:21:56,880 --> 01:21:53,170
with a I got a manila folder that came

1894
01:21:59,940 --> 01:21:56,890
with like 13 folders from the scene and

1895
01:22:02,340 --> 01:21:59,950
the site actually where the pad oh yeah

1896
01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:02,350
yeah you see the better than anything

1897
01:22:07,860 --> 01:22:05,050
you can see online I put a few of them

1898
01:22:09,990 --> 01:22:07,870
on my site there you can see the Scorch

1899
01:22:12,060 --> 01:22:10,000
first bushes they were taken the next

1900
01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:12,070
day I believe a lot of them were taken

1901
01:22:16,890 --> 01:22:14,650
by the newspaper but not all of them and

1902
01:22:19,670 --> 01:22:16,900
you know the police officers had already

1903
01:22:21,780 --> 01:22:19,680
placed the rocks around in impressions

1904
01:22:24,390 --> 01:22:21,790
but they're uh they're pretty good

1905
01:22:26,370 --> 01:22:24,400
quality pictures now when I when the

1906
01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:26,380
black vault had the Blue Book files

1907
01:22:31,710 --> 01:22:29,650
there for a week or two that was nice to

1908
01:22:32,340 --> 01:22:31,720
get on there and compare compare things

1909
01:22:34,830 --> 01:22:32,350
Oh

1910
01:22:37,830 --> 01:22:34,840
how long have you had these now you said

1911
01:22:40,170 --> 01:22:37,840
over a year I've had the first box in

1912
01:22:41,940 --> 01:22:40,180
September of 2013 but I kind of just

1913
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:41,950
kept them to myself mm-hmm I got the

1914
01:22:47,220 --> 01:22:45,010
other stuff actually last June okay just

1915
01:22:48,480 --> 01:22:47,230
just to remind the we have a number of

1916
01:22:50,340 --> 01:22:48,490
people in the chat room no one's really

1917
01:22:51,780 --> 01:22:50,350
too active in there but if you're

1918
01:22:54,870 --> 01:22:51,790
listening live you can jump in the chat

1919
01:22:57,210 --> 01:22:54,880
room on podcast UFO comm and it's real

1920
01:23:00,600 --> 01:22:57,220
easy sign in and ask our guests a

1921
01:23:01,710 --> 01:23:00,610
question also if Chris array happened to

1922
01:23:03,230 --> 01:23:01,720
be listening out there and you want to

1923
01:23:09,270 --> 01:23:03,240
call in either one of you or both you

1924
01:23:12,290 --> 01:23:09,280
that six zero three nine six seven four

1925
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:12,300
oh three oh one more time six oh three

1926
01:23:19,470 --> 01:23:16,090
nine six seven four OH three oh you're

1927
01:23:23,820 --> 01:23:19,480
welcome to call in okay so sorry to

1928
01:23:27,540 --> 01:23:23,830
interrupt you in go ahead they score Oh

1929
01:23:29,850 --> 01:23:27,550
file I'm trying to put a timeline i

1930
01:23:31,590 --> 01:23:29,860
talked to lieutenant about that file you

1931
01:23:33,180 --> 01:23:31,600
know I asked him did you put this one

1932
01:23:33,660 --> 01:23:33,190
together for the press and he said it

1933
01:23:36,810 --> 01:23:33,670
was put to

1934
01:23:39,180 --> 01:23:36,820
by David moody who was the sergeant

1935
01:23:41,610 --> 01:23:39,190
moody he was a guy from wright-patterson

1936
01:23:43,080 --> 01:23:41,620
that was down there investigating and he

1937
01:23:45,360 --> 01:23:43,090
said that he put that together and he

1938
01:23:46,830 --> 01:23:45,370
had spoke to him about that case I mean

1939
01:23:49,590 --> 01:23:46,840
that one he remember talking to him

1940
01:23:54,050 --> 01:23:49,600
about he said moody was convinced it was

1941
01:23:56,760 --> 01:23:54,060
a NASA lunar landers never bought that

1942
01:23:58,890 --> 01:23:56,770
that's totally ridiculous because things

1943
01:24:00,030 --> 01:23:58,900
I mean them things for wobbly there

1944
01:24:03,930 --> 01:24:00,040
would have been a crew out there if that

1945
01:24:08,340 --> 01:24:03,940
was the case didn't make any sense with

1946
01:24:10,830 --> 01:24:08,350
that claim but that's a lot of things

1947
01:24:12,870 --> 01:24:10,840
you'll see I was going page for page on

1948
01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:12,880
the black vault seeing what I have some

1949
01:24:17,580 --> 01:24:16,090
stuff I have that's not that not in the

1950
01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:17,590
government files some stuff that's in

1951
01:24:22,680 --> 01:24:20,650
the government files it's not my book so

1952
01:24:24,419 --> 01:24:22,690
just trying to I still a lot of research

1953
01:24:26,310 --> 01:24:24,429
to do to try to figure those out matte

1954
01:24:27,919 --> 01:24:26,320
black vault was handy but it only lasted

1955
01:24:30,300 --> 01:24:27,929
a week or so and they took it away so

1956
01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:30,310
kind of if the other ones are a little

1957
01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:32,410
harder to look into things it's

1958
01:24:38,100 --> 01:24:34,570
time-consuming to put that way but I've

1959
01:24:40,020 --> 01:24:38,110
also got a lot of just some of the let's

1960
01:24:41,459 --> 01:24:40,030
say some of the photos I have I'm gonna

1961
01:24:46,680 --> 01:24:41,469
point out another case here in

1962
01:24:49,080 --> 01:24:46,690
particular 1952 Cuba it's one that in

1963
01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:49,090
the project Bluebook files is listed as

1964
01:24:54,660 --> 01:24:51,610
a case missing or a card missing I got

1965
01:24:58,770 --> 01:24:54,670
several pictures it's just a dot from

1966
01:25:03,780 --> 01:24:58,780
that one sighting I've got a home in New

1967
01:25:05,729 --> 01:25:03,790
York in April of 11th 1964 had a doctor

1968
01:25:07,919 --> 01:25:05,739
him and his wife and her two kids we're

1969
01:25:09,540 --> 01:25:07,929
having a picnic and saw a craft come

1970
01:25:12,540 --> 01:25:09,550
down and break off into different pieces

1971
01:25:15,270 --> 01:25:12,550
and maneuver around over a 45 minute

1972
01:25:18,810 --> 01:25:15,280
period was why they didn't have a camera

1973
01:25:21,750 --> 01:25:18,820
in his wife sketched the pictures for

1974
01:25:23,310 --> 01:25:21,760
the Air Force and nice I don't have it

1975
01:25:25,169 --> 01:25:23,320
written in my files but I've seen it

1976
01:25:29,250 --> 01:25:25,179
online where they submitted you know

1977
01:25:31,770 --> 01:25:29,260
seven photos and seven glass slides to

1978
01:25:34,229 --> 01:25:31,780
the Air Force well the glass slides are

1979
01:25:37,050 --> 01:25:34,239
in this collection I doubt the Air Force

1980
01:25:38,550 --> 01:25:37,060
when it made duplicates of them so

1981
01:25:42,209 --> 01:25:38,560
there's a you know quite a few things in

1982
01:25:44,790 --> 01:25:42,219
here that aren't that are one-of-a-kind

1983
01:25:46,370 --> 01:25:44,800
that I you know have know figure out

1984
01:25:49,610 --> 01:25:46,380
what to do with yes

1985
01:25:51,320 --> 01:25:49,620
I there are several

1986
01:25:54,169 --> 01:25:51,330
lots of books in here too like I'm

1987
01:25:55,939 --> 01:25:54,179
looking right now at a book incident at

1988
01:25:58,280 --> 01:25:55,949
Exeter oh yeah

1989
01:26:00,020 --> 01:25:58,290
it's a Xerox copy but it was hynek's

1990
01:26:02,090 --> 01:26:00,030
copy cuz it's got his name on it huh

1991
01:26:03,590 --> 01:26:02,100
maybe it's his original I think he

1992
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:03,600
copied it and gave it to the Air Force

1993
01:26:11,330 --> 01:26:06,570
but in it it is heavily highlighted

1994
01:26:13,459 --> 01:26:11,340
inside as well not annotated well there

1995
01:26:15,470 --> 01:26:13,469
are some question marks and different

1996
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:15,480
things and smiley faces and things like

1997
01:26:22,820 --> 01:26:19,010
that but a lot of highlights smiley face

1998
01:26:24,860 --> 01:26:22,830
doodles and things where they've I mean

1999
01:26:26,270 --> 01:26:24,870
I've got a lot of the research tools

2000
01:26:26,870 --> 01:26:26,280
that's why I think a lot of it came from

2001
01:26:29,930 --> 01:26:26,880
their desk

2002
01:26:31,490 --> 01:26:29,940
lots of manuals and regulations and

2003
01:26:32,990 --> 01:26:31,500
everything and they had some pretty

2004
01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:33,000
interesting books in here they even had

2005
01:26:37,669 --> 01:26:33,810
a copy of the

2006
01:26:40,729 --> 01:26:37,679
nycap evident UFO evidence book from

2007
01:26:44,240 --> 01:26:40,739
1964 well hey let me let me just ask you

2008
01:26:47,209 --> 01:26:44,250
this some was this is just out of my own

2009
01:26:49,820 --> 01:26:47,219
ignorance here was a project Bluebook at

2010
01:26:51,260 --> 01:26:49,830
wright-patterson oh yeah yeah see I

2011
01:26:54,610 --> 01:26:51,270
didn't even know that but I mean now

2012
01:26:58,580 --> 01:26:54,620
that you know it even makes more sense

2013
01:27:01,970 --> 01:26:58,590
they started their project signs started

2014
01:27:06,669 --> 01:27:01,980
there in 47 and blue book started in 52

2015
01:27:09,950 --> 01:27:06,679
and went up 69 memos you know about

2016
01:27:13,490 --> 01:27:09,960
telling that basically it's a lot of

2017
01:27:14,990 --> 01:27:13,500
notes that they had telling telling them

2018
01:27:18,410 --> 01:27:15,000
what was coming as far as you know the

2019
01:27:20,510 --> 01:27:18,420
Condon report and lots of there's even a

2020
01:27:22,040 --> 01:27:20,520
folder in here that's for I think it's

2021
01:27:26,209 --> 01:27:22,050
the actual stuff they sent for the

2022
01:27:29,570 --> 01:27:26,219
Condon report Scott a lot of sightings

2023
01:27:32,570 --> 01:27:29,580
listed in it photographs put in it it's

2024
01:27:34,160 --> 01:27:32,580
what they sent out to Colorado that's

2025
01:27:35,629 --> 01:27:34,170
what the folder says on the side of it

2026
01:27:38,090 --> 01:27:35,639
so I don't know if it's a copy of the

2027
01:27:40,879 --> 01:27:38,100
one or the actual one but it's got a lot

2028
01:27:43,939 --> 01:27:40,889
of stats in it and everything and

2029
01:27:47,360 --> 01:27:43,949
they've like a lot of statistics that

2030
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:47,370
came with this there's a I'm trying to

2031
01:27:50,689 --> 01:27:50,010
grab some of these books here just

2032
01:27:54,379 --> 01:27:50,699
different

2033
01:27:56,060 --> 01:27:54,389
they had memberships to meteor clubs so

2034
01:27:57,770 --> 01:27:56,070
they could you know a lot of the

2035
01:27:59,390 --> 01:27:57,780
research tools things they were looking

2036
01:28:01,940 --> 01:27:59,400
into

2037
01:28:03,890 --> 01:28:01,950
now when they were there at the end they

2038
01:28:06,230 --> 01:28:03,900
lieutenant it was just down to him and

2039
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:06,240
basically three other guys when he was

2040
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:08,010
there when it shut down at the end and

2041
01:28:12,710 --> 01:28:09,570
then for the last couple months it was

2042
01:28:15,860 --> 01:28:12,720
just him and quintanilla so they were I

2043
01:28:21,040 --> 01:28:15,870
mean they were stretched thin as far as

2044
01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:21,050
investigating a lot going on now I've

2045
01:28:29,270 --> 01:28:25,290
got a box of reference cards and they're

2046
01:28:31,220 --> 01:28:29,280
notes that they used basically I'm

2047
01:28:32,450 --> 01:28:31,230
assuming for typing up things you know

2048
01:28:34,520 --> 01:28:32,460
when people call and ask him a question

2049
01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:34,530
and what I found in here was on the

2050
01:28:39,050 --> 01:28:37,530
estimate of situation my I haven't found

2051
01:28:40,340 --> 01:28:39,060
that in here I wish I would that's one

2052
01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:40,350
of the things first things I was looking

2053
01:28:45,610 --> 01:28:42,330
for I found several letters and

2054
01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:45,620
correspondences that that mention it and

2055
01:28:51,080 --> 01:28:48,090
I got one here that's uh

2056
01:28:52,970 --> 01:28:51,090
basically it's what they're to say best

2057
01:28:54,680 --> 01:28:52,980
I can figure is what they're to say if

2058
01:28:58,760 --> 01:28:54,690
somebody inquires about the estimate of

2059
01:29:02,120 --> 01:28:58,770
situation and it says that basically

2060
01:29:03,380 --> 01:29:02,130
captain Rupo said everything about it

2061
01:29:04,910 --> 01:29:03,390
that he could say in his book

2062
01:29:07,130 --> 01:29:04,920
I mean basically they're saying when he

2063
01:29:09,770 --> 01:29:07,140
said was true as far as it was brought

2064
01:29:12,200 --> 01:29:09,780
up through the chains and then they told

2065
01:29:14,570 --> 01:29:12,210
him to kill it and burn it I mean that's

2066
01:29:15,950 --> 01:29:14,580
what they even I found that surprisingly

2067
01:29:17,030 --> 01:29:15,960
to see that that they had that written

2068
01:29:19,580 --> 01:29:17,040
down in here because normally the Air

2069
01:29:24,760 --> 01:29:19,590
Force says it didn't exist never existed

2070
01:29:29,210 --> 01:29:24,770
in law little things like that in there

2071
01:29:41,380 --> 01:29:29,220
Wow so if I offered you like a grand

2072
01:29:41,390 --> 01:29:50,020
chance to see it libraries around here

2073
01:29:55,700 --> 01:29:53,450
on a serious note you know I think of

2074
01:29:59,510 --> 01:29:55,710
stuff like this I actually have I

2075
01:30:01,370 --> 01:29:59,520
actually have a former Museum it's

2076
01:30:05,120 --> 01:30:01,380
actually literally a former museum with

2077
01:30:06,470 --> 01:30:05,130
with showcases and you know an alarm

2078
01:30:09,590 --> 01:30:06,480
system and all that and I keep thinking

2079
01:30:11,180 --> 01:30:09,600
wow I would love to like house something

2080
01:30:12,500 --> 01:30:11,190
like that so a lot of people could come

2081
01:30:14,330 --> 01:30:12,510
in and take a look

2082
01:30:16,220 --> 01:30:14,340
so maybe when you get tired of them down

2083
01:30:18,620 --> 01:30:16,230
the road we'll talk there's some other

2084
01:30:20,210 --> 01:30:18,630
people I can talk to about this but it

2085
01:30:22,640 --> 01:30:20,220
would be a fun place because it's like

2086
01:30:24,620 --> 01:30:22,650
B&B people could stay and you know walk

2087
01:30:26,660 --> 01:30:24,630
read the stuff so if you're listening

2088
01:30:28,190 --> 01:30:26,670
and you have tons of money and you want

2089
01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:28,200
to help out with a project and open a

2090
01:30:37,130 --> 01:30:35,010
UFO Museum I got the place but keep that

2091
01:30:38,570 --> 01:30:37,140
in mind I know I'd like it to end up

2092
01:30:40,370 --> 01:30:38,580
somewhere where public can't see it

2093
01:30:41,870 --> 01:30:40,380
sometime I mean I hate when things like

2094
01:30:42,500 --> 01:30:41,880
it get put away and nobody gets a look

2095
01:30:45,350 --> 01:30:42,510
at them again

2096
01:30:47,420 --> 01:30:45,360
yeah and you cannot think on a serious

2097
01:30:49,640 --> 01:30:47,430
note I mean you know I'm sort of joking

2098
01:30:51,770 --> 01:30:49,650
around a little bit but but but a little

2099
01:30:54,170 --> 01:30:51,780
bit of it you know like I could always

2100
01:30:57,320 --> 01:30:54,180
be you know talk to about stuff like

2101
01:30:58,910 --> 01:30:57,330
this but I do want to say how that works

2102
01:31:01,280 --> 01:30:58,920
a lot of times is you can have things

2103
01:31:03,080 --> 01:31:01,290
out on loan you know things can be out

2104
01:31:05,710 --> 01:31:03,090
on loan to different like historical

2105
01:31:07,670 --> 01:31:05,720
societies or someone that actually

2106
01:31:09,560 --> 01:31:07,680
someone that would really have an

2107
01:31:11,330 --> 01:31:09,570
interest like let's just say it let's

2108
01:31:14,090 --> 01:31:11,340
throw this out there that the Roswell

2109
01:31:16,040 --> 01:31:14,100
museum would take it in and display it

2110
01:31:18,800 --> 01:31:16,050
for you for a year or two that these are

2111
01:31:20,920 --> 01:31:18,810
all possibilities and that is a place

2112
01:31:23,660 --> 01:31:20,930
right there were definitely people

2113
01:31:26,720 --> 01:31:23,670
interested down there it's nice nice

2114
01:31:27,350 --> 01:31:26,730
little setup they have back there a few

2115
01:31:30,650 --> 01:31:27,360
years ago

2116
01:31:33,350 --> 01:31:30,660
well I took all these a lot of the loose

2117
01:31:35,210 --> 01:31:33,360
fire there when I got these and I opened

2118
01:31:37,010 --> 01:31:35,220
all the boxes and stacked everything it

2119
01:31:39,500 --> 01:31:37,020
was probably five foot tall of papers

2120
01:31:42,740 --> 01:31:39,510
and books involved now some of these

2121
01:31:44,720 --> 01:31:42,750
books are Xerox copies but you know

2122
01:31:46,430 --> 01:31:44,730
they're still decent books but they were

2123
01:31:48,380 --> 01:31:46,440
it took me a while to separate

2124
01:31:50,780 --> 01:31:48,390
everything out trying to figure and I've

2125
01:31:53,120 --> 01:31:50,790
put everything in binders you know an

2126
01:31:56,120 --> 01:31:53,130
acid-free binder sleeves that way people

2127
01:31:58,010 --> 01:31:56,130
when they when I do come and share them

2128
01:31:59,570 --> 01:31:58,020
with somebody there they actually get to

2129
01:32:00,800 --> 01:31:59,580
touch I'm gonna look at him there were a

2130
01:32:02,270 --> 01:32:00,810
lot of things I guess having talked

2131
01:32:06,020 --> 01:32:02,280
about the films there were films in

2132
01:32:08,060 --> 01:32:06,030
there like 16 millimeter or something 16

2133
01:32:14,060 --> 01:32:08,070
there's a 16 millimeter of the tree

2134
01:32:15,740 --> 01:32:14,070
Monson sighting from 1952 but I went to

2135
01:32:19,040 --> 01:32:15,750
have them I had them all transferred to

2136
01:32:20,720 --> 01:32:19,050
digital format that one I was

2137
01:32:23,030 --> 01:32:20,730
disappointed in it first of all I was

2138
01:32:24,890 --> 01:32:23,040
hoping because officer Newhouse you know

2139
01:32:26,180 --> 01:32:24,900
I said there was about 20 feet missing

2140
01:32:30,020 --> 01:32:26,190
off his film and he got

2141
01:32:31,970 --> 01:32:30,030
from the Air Force hmm so you know it's

2142
01:32:33,770 --> 01:32:31,980
I I didn't try to measure it I kind of

2143
01:32:35,510 --> 01:32:33,780
want to get a count on it when I got

2144
01:32:37,940 --> 01:32:35,520
done but the thing is sixty years old

2145
01:32:39,590 --> 01:32:37,950
and was very brittle yes I'm

2146
01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:39,600
disappointed in the quality of the video

2147
01:32:43,670 --> 01:32:41,850
I got from it but I was able to get a

2148
01:32:44,770 --> 01:32:43,680
copy of it but what you can find online

2149
01:32:47,840 --> 01:32:44,780
looks better

2150
01:32:49,700 --> 01:32:47,850
it's unknown if it's longer just because

2151
01:32:53,210 --> 01:32:49,710
of the quality but I will say it

2152
01:32:55,940 --> 01:32:53,220
finishes it off it's got somebody sewing

2153
01:32:58,640 --> 01:32:55,950
I'm assuming it's you know him or his

2154
01:33:00,260 --> 01:32:58,650
wife so it may have the extra on it it's

2155
01:33:02,840 --> 01:33:00,270
just I've not been able to totally

2156
01:33:11,060 --> 01:33:02,850
determine that yet or this right is it a

2157
01:33:16,130 --> 01:33:11,070
gray sewing sewing machine okay now is

2158
01:33:18,230 --> 01:33:16,140
there actually negatives as well yes

2159
01:33:20,750 --> 01:33:18,240
yeah there's quite a few negatives quite

2160
01:33:23,840 --> 01:33:20,760
a few negatives they're not all of them

2161
01:33:25,910 --> 01:33:23,850
but some of them there are no I did back

2162
01:33:27,920 --> 01:33:25,920
to score okay there was a an interesting

2163
01:33:30,860 --> 01:33:27,930
mock-up in there

2164
01:33:33,470 --> 01:33:30,870
there was a toy police car and a toy

2165
01:33:36,260 --> 01:33:33,480
police officer running and then a craft

2166
01:33:37,850 --> 01:33:36,270
you know down in a golly desert scene

2167
01:33:41,480 --> 01:33:37,860
that you know look like the score oh

2168
01:33:43,970 --> 01:33:41,490
craft obviously the car wasn't the same

2169
01:33:45,350 --> 01:33:43,980
color but on the back on the envelope

2170
01:33:47,260 --> 01:33:45,360
there was nine and copies of this

2171
01:33:49,520 --> 01:33:47,270
picture in a manila envelope

2172
01:33:52,910 --> 01:33:49,530
pardon me they actually made a set up of

2173
01:33:54,680 --> 01:33:52,920
this and took a picture of it or

2174
01:33:56,540 --> 01:33:54,690
somebody made it and sent it to them but

2175
01:33:58,430 --> 01:33:56,550
the negatives were in there and nine

2176
01:34:00,080 --> 01:33:58,440
copies of the picture and it says

2177
01:34:01,940 --> 01:34:00,090
Socorro which I mean it was obvious

2178
01:34:03,680 --> 01:34:01,950
that's what it was but it says Socorro

2179
01:34:08,030 --> 01:34:03,690
mock-up on you know they'd written on

2180
01:34:10,520 --> 01:34:08,040
the back of the pictures Wow I've

2181
01:34:12,560 --> 01:34:10,530
actually here in the last few days a few

2182
01:34:15,200 --> 01:34:12,570
days came up with a few phone numbers

2183
01:34:17,390 --> 01:34:15,210
from former Blue Book staff people I

2184
01:34:19,300 --> 01:34:17,400
haven't called him yet you know a couple

2185
01:34:22,040 --> 01:34:19,310
secretaries are still alive

2186
01:34:23,420 --> 01:34:22,050
that's one of my endeavors is to try to

2187
01:34:25,370 --> 01:34:23,430
I want to try to figure out where that

2188
01:34:27,710 --> 01:34:25,380
picture came from who if it was the Air

2189
01:34:29,840 --> 01:34:27,720
Force that made it I'm hoping somebody

2190
01:34:31,880 --> 01:34:29,850
that was back here in 64 which I have a

2191
01:34:33,710 --> 01:34:31,890
ladies phone number that was I don't

2192
01:34:36,080 --> 01:34:33,720
know that she'll remember it or probably

2193
01:34:38,150 --> 01:34:36,090
not but I'm gonna kind of ask her and

2194
01:34:40,070 --> 01:34:38,160
see what she says I don't know if it was

2195
01:34:42,980 --> 01:34:40,080
made from somebody down that way

2196
01:34:44,420 --> 01:34:42,990
I just have no answer for that and the

2197
01:34:45,770 --> 01:34:44,430
lieutenant didn't either like I said it

2198
01:34:48,500 --> 01:34:45,780
was two and a half years before his

2199
01:34:51,530 --> 01:34:48,510
times he had no he didn't even remember

2200
01:34:57,590 --> 01:34:51,540
that they were in there no another film

2201
01:35:00,110 --> 01:34:57,600
I had was the Moline Illinois officer

2202
01:35:02,330 --> 01:35:00,120
Fisher he had taken seen a scar shaped

2203
01:35:05,030 --> 01:35:02,340
craft or the boxcar shaped craft in the

2204
01:35:08,360 --> 01:35:05,040
sky there was a eight millimeter of that

2205
01:35:11,270 --> 01:35:08,370
I have another sixteen millimeter it was

2206
01:35:13,190 --> 01:35:11,280
it's just a dot in the sky and the only

2207
01:35:16,310 --> 01:35:13,200
thing written on the case is UFO

2208
01:35:18,110 --> 01:35:16,320
unclassified so and foreign technology

2209
01:35:21,020 --> 01:35:18,120
division so I've not really been able to

2210
01:35:22,910 --> 01:35:21,030
figure out exactly what it is but there

2211
01:35:27,710 --> 01:35:22,920
were sound reel-to-reel tapes in there

2212
01:35:31,610 --> 01:35:27,720
also one of them was from the it was a

2213
01:35:33,920 --> 01:35:31,620
march of 1968 ends up being a Zhaan

2214
01:35:36,770 --> 01:35:33,930
Russian satellite re-entering the

2215
01:35:38,630 --> 01:35:36,780
atmosphere but there's probably a good

2216
01:35:40,580 --> 01:35:38,640
our interview with police officers from

2217
01:35:42,920 --> 01:35:40,590
Morgantown West Virginia this sighting

2218
01:35:44,420 --> 01:35:42,930
was all over the Northeast and the

2219
01:35:47,390 --> 01:35:44,430
lieutenant actually told me it was one

2220
01:35:50,120 --> 01:35:47,400
of his favorite ones you know and he was

2221
01:35:53,150 --> 01:35:50,130
never more sure about a sighting than

2222
01:35:54,770 --> 01:35:53,160
that that one right there he never

2223
01:35:56,270 --> 01:35:54,780
figured out exactly where it landed but

2224
01:35:59,600 --> 01:35:56,280
he had it down to like a fifty square

2225
01:36:01,580 --> 01:35:59,610
mile area up in northeastern

2226
01:36:05,420 --> 01:36:01,590
Pennsylvania southern New York in that

2227
01:36:08,150 --> 01:36:05,430
area but there was also a lot of radio

2228
01:36:10,100 --> 01:36:08,160
interviews on there from shows back in

2229
01:36:11,930 --> 01:36:10,110
the 50s on some of these sound tapes too

2230
01:36:13,790 --> 01:36:11,940
so the Air Force kept track of a lot of

2231
01:36:15,500 --> 01:36:13,800
that stuff now did they have anything

2232
01:36:18,860 --> 01:36:15,510
really fringy on there you know like

2233
01:36:20,840 --> 01:36:18,870
some real fringe ebooks on contactees or

2234
01:36:24,230 --> 01:36:20,850
anything as well or was it really

2235
01:36:26,360 --> 01:36:24,240
sticking to two cases more or less you

2236
01:36:35,750 --> 01:36:26,370
know there was one book it was Frank

2237
01:36:37,880 --> 01:36:35,760
strangest book to another guy 59 but it

2238
01:36:39,680 --> 01:36:37,890
was in that box of stuff so I'm assuming

2239
01:36:41,870 --> 01:36:39,690
only I can assume it was it was around

2240
01:36:43,880 --> 01:36:41,880
their deck desks there in the Blue Book

2241
01:36:46,910 --> 01:36:43,890
Office you know when he was cleaning up

2242
01:36:48,050 --> 01:36:46,920
yeah and he just kind of threw it in so

2243
01:36:49,820 --> 01:36:48,060
yeah there was I mean that was the only

2244
01:36:51,620 --> 01:36:49,830
thing fringy I found in there everything

2245
01:36:53,050 --> 01:36:51,630
else was more I mean there was a lot of

2246
01:36:54,310 --> 01:36:53,060
neat reference books like

2247
01:36:56,140 --> 01:36:54,320
I'm looking at one here it's the

2248
01:36:58,000 --> 01:36:56,150
reference for outstanding UFO sighting

2249
01:37:00,610 --> 01:36:58,010
reports they had a lot of reference

2250
01:37:03,790 --> 01:37:00,620
books like that there were a couple

2251
01:37:06,250 --> 01:37:03,800
textbooks for physics from the US Air

2252
01:37:08,350 --> 01:37:06,260
Force Academy also but they actually do

2253
01:37:11,230 --> 01:37:08,360
talk about unidentified flying objects

2254
01:37:12,730 --> 01:37:11,240
in these books the lieutenant didn't

2255
01:37:13,870 --> 01:37:12,740
remember I was asking particular about

2256
01:37:17,050 --> 01:37:13,880
him because he hasn't you know he's a

2257
01:37:18,610 --> 01:37:17,060
physicist by training he didn't remember

2258
01:37:20,530 --> 01:37:18,620
if they were from his training or

2259
01:37:22,630 --> 01:37:20,540
project Bluebook material he couldn't

2260
01:37:25,390 --> 01:37:22,640
tell me he didn't even remember him he

2261
01:37:28,090 --> 01:37:25,400
just sent them to me there are lots of

2262
01:37:30,610 --> 01:37:28,100
books another thing that was in there

2263
01:37:34,360 --> 01:37:30,620
was a Rolodex I've ever kind of a

2264
01:37:36,460 --> 01:37:34,370
who's-who of UFOs back in the 60s

2265
01:37:38,770 --> 01:37:36,470
Stanton Friedman's names and everything

2266
01:37:40,300 --> 01:37:38,780
you know his address everything phone

2267
01:37:40,570 --> 01:37:40,310
numbers addresses and everything like

2268
01:37:44,350 --> 01:37:40,580
that

2269
01:37:46,510 --> 01:37:44,360
now just NICAP let's talk a little bit

2270
01:37:48,420 --> 01:37:46,520
about nightcap no nightcap was was

2271
01:37:53,290 --> 01:37:48,430
actually going on the same time

2272
01:37:57,850 --> 01:37:53,300
somewhere in the 60s so Project Blue

2273
01:37:59,950 --> 01:37:57,860
Book and ICAP were both you know in

2274
01:38:02,350 --> 01:37:59,960
session basically at the same time was

2275
01:38:04,120 --> 01:38:02,360
there have you found any reference to

2276
01:38:11,980 --> 01:38:04,130
nightcap and nightcap papers or anything

2277
01:38:14,830 --> 01:38:11,990
mixed in there as well a lot of books so

2278
01:38:16,390 --> 01:38:14,840
they obviously either shared information

2279
01:38:19,360 --> 01:38:16,400
with them or at least followed them

2280
01:38:20,980 --> 01:38:19,370
mm-hmm they there's several these

2281
01:38:22,900 --> 01:38:20,990
reference books or you know are nycap

2282
01:38:26,560 --> 01:38:22,910
related and our paperwork in there

2283
01:38:31,420 --> 01:38:26,570
that's you know that's not have lots of

2284
01:38:36,580 --> 01:38:31,430
correspondences from Carl Sagan really

2285
01:38:38,170 --> 01:38:36,590
bill class some I mean there's almost

2286
01:38:40,120 --> 01:38:38,180
not a letter without him making fun of

2287
01:38:42,310 --> 01:38:40,130
somebody you know like you know it's

2288
01:38:44,440 --> 01:38:42,320
ended a subject I mean I didn't know

2289
01:38:46,360 --> 01:38:44,450
much about him himself till I started

2290
01:38:47,890 --> 01:38:46,370
looking at these and kind of got a you

2291
01:38:53,110 --> 01:38:47,900
know a better handle on what what he

2292
01:38:54,610 --> 01:38:53,120
what he did he there's a lot of things

2293
01:38:57,130 --> 01:38:54,620
like that in their correspondence as

2294
01:38:59,280 --> 01:38:57,140
those between James McDonald and uh I

2295
01:39:02,830 --> 01:38:59,290
got a book set up here

2296
01:39:06,760 --> 01:39:02,840
there was also they had a folder on

2297
01:39:07,060 --> 01:39:06,770
NORAD and space defense lot of I mean

2298
01:39:12,910 --> 01:39:07,070
it's

2299
01:39:14,560 --> 01:39:12,920
relevant anymore but pictures you know

2300
01:39:17,520 --> 01:39:14,570
inside the place pictures of their

2301
01:39:20,500 --> 01:39:17,530
telescopes pictures of radar locations

2302
01:39:23,169 --> 01:39:20,510
we charts things like that lots of

2303
01:39:25,510 --> 01:39:23,179
thanks from the FAA and this same folder

2304
01:39:29,470 --> 01:39:25,520
also once again though thought I mean

2305
01:39:31,450 --> 01:39:29,480
they did a lot of research I can't deny

2306
01:39:33,370 --> 01:39:31,460
that they didn't try just by seeing the

2307
01:39:39,300 --> 01:39:33,380
stuff they have in here now what was the

2308
01:39:44,560 --> 01:39:43,359
he was usually more I can't think I'm

2309
01:39:49,050 --> 01:39:44,570
right off just second here I'm getting

2310
01:39:51,419 --> 01:39:49,060
that book out he was his cases were more

2311
01:39:53,879 --> 01:39:51,429
trying to offer solutions

2312
01:39:56,229 --> 01:39:53,889
you know logical solutions what they had

2313
01:40:01,030 --> 01:39:56,239
guests this morning now I've got a lot

2314
01:40:04,209 --> 01:40:01,040
from Donald Roby he wrote a lot of books

2315
01:40:07,990 --> 01:40:04,219
on the green meteors and the fireballs

2316
01:40:09,250 --> 01:40:08,000
and plasma lot in there from him you

2317
01:40:11,260 --> 01:40:09,260
know there's a lot of most of

2318
01:40:14,200 --> 01:40:11,270
correspondences are trying to help them

2319
01:40:18,100 --> 01:40:14,210
explain they they would send these guys

2320
01:40:19,479 --> 01:40:18,110
papers even I've got a document from 66

2321
01:40:21,669 --> 01:40:19,489
where the Air Force says they're gonna

2322
01:40:23,800 --> 01:40:21,679
start using scientists but some of these

2323
01:40:25,390 --> 01:40:23,810
are from way before that where they were

2324
01:40:30,720 --> 01:40:25,400
actually using them and asking questions

2325
01:40:33,040 --> 01:40:30,730
about things I have to get some of the

2326
01:40:36,790 --> 01:40:33,050
some of those scanned in and put on my

2327
01:40:39,220 --> 01:40:36,800
website though a lot of publications

2328
01:40:41,640 --> 01:40:39,230
about aids I'm looking at one now aids

2329
01:40:44,470 --> 01:40:41,650
to identification of flying objects

2330
01:40:47,080 --> 01:40:44,480
they're straight for different issues of

2331
01:40:48,550 --> 01:40:47,090
that inside it would have the staffs and

2332
01:40:51,879 --> 01:40:48,560
you know tell you what the latest

2333
01:40:53,229 --> 01:40:51,889
airplanes that are out there things like

2334
01:40:57,310 --> 01:40:53,239
that stuff I've never seen anywhere

2335
01:40:59,859 --> 01:40:57,320
before there's a lot of stuff on Hynek

2336
01:41:01,720 --> 01:40:59,869
now you know by the time the lieutenant

2337
01:41:06,129 --> 01:41:01,730
was there Hynek had already kind of

2338
01:41:08,859 --> 01:41:06,139
changed as far as pro UFO pro alienness

2339
01:41:12,060 --> 01:41:08,869
and then lieutenant him butted heads a

2340
01:41:15,700 --> 01:41:12,070
lot now even in his book he mentions the

2341
01:41:20,200 --> 01:41:15,710
lieutenant you know said that the

2342
01:41:21,700 --> 01:41:20,210
surprise that murat that Hynek

2343
01:41:23,800 --> 01:41:21,710
about him in a good way because he had

2344
01:41:26,850 --> 01:41:23,810
to get on him so much he had to get on

2345
01:41:30,670 --> 01:41:26,860
him taking six months to complete a case

2346
01:41:33,070 --> 01:41:30,680
a lot of these files that I have that

2347
01:41:35,970 --> 01:41:33,080
are single page they'll have written on

2348
01:41:38,320 --> 01:41:35,980
it Hynek special you know an ink pen

2349
01:41:40,240 --> 01:41:38,330
basically it was at the the late the

2350
01:41:42,490 --> 01:41:40,250
ones in the late 60s basically where

2351
01:41:45,700 --> 01:41:42,500
lieutenant said everything he saw he

2352
01:41:48,130 --> 01:41:45,710
wanted on identify so they kind of butt

2353
01:41:49,930 --> 01:41:48,140
heads a little bit I do have like one of

2354
01:41:52,330 --> 01:41:49,940
his contracts and a lot of his bills

2355
01:41:54,520 --> 01:41:52,340
that he would send the Air Force copies

2356
01:41:56,590 --> 01:41:54,530
of them not the originals copies of his

2357
01:42:01,229 --> 01:41:56,600
bills for his time for each phone call

2358
01:42:03,670 --> 01:42:01,239
he made places he went from the late 60s

2359
01:42:06,610 --> 01:42:03,680
there's some pretty neat stuff in there

2360
01:42:10,479 --> 01:42:06,620
like at but there's little books a lot

2361
01:42:12,070 --> 01:42:10,489
of pictures a lot of color pictures I

2362
01:42:14,229 --> 01:42:12,080
mean when you get online now like on

2363
01:42:16,200 --> 01:42:14,239
full three sites

2364
01:42:19,090 --> 01:42:16,210
I'm gonna pull out one here in

2365
01:42:23,080 --> 01:42:19,100
particular is Governors Island New York

2366
01:42:26,320 --> 01:42:23,090
in 1952 July of 1952 it ended up being

2367
01:42:27,910 --> 01:42:26,330
an unidentified case and I've got you

2368
01:42:30,160 --> 01:42:27,920
know I've got four there were six

2369
01:42:30,750 --> 01:42:30,170
pictures taken I guess I've got four of

2370
01:42:33,970 --> 01:42:30,760
them

2371
01:42:35,800 --> 01:42:33,980
they're pretty made pretty interesting

2372
01:42:38,020 --> 01:42:35,810
pictures with color and everything which

2373
01:42:40,170 --> 01:42:38,030
you can see in them as far as you know

2374
01:42:42,220 --> 01:42:40,180
what the black and white parts are so

2375
01:42:43,540 --> 01:42:42,230
you know I'm not opposed to sharing them

2376
01:42:46,570 --> 01:42:43,550
with people if they if somebody's

2377
01:42:48,190 --> 01:42:46,580
interested in a particular case shoot me

2378
01:42:49,600 --> 01:42:48,200
an email if I have anything on it all

2379
01:42:51,850 --> 01:42:49,610
kind of share it with them that's how I

2380
01:42:54,610 --> 01:42:51,860
kind of got hooked up with Ray and Chris

2381
01:42:56,320 --> 01:42:54,620
I got another guy that's probably been

2382
01:42:58,600 --> 01:42:56,330
on your show before Dave Marlar out of

2383
01:43:02,290 --> 01:42:58,610
Albuquerque New Mexico he's coming up on

2384
01:43:04,360 --> 01:43:02,300
April 15th actually okay me and him we

2385
01:43:06,400 --> 01:43:04,370
do a lot of sharing information over you

2386
01:43:08,110 --> 01:43:06,410
know the internet and he kind of helps

2387
01:43:10,360 --> 01:43:08,120
me out a little bit with questions down

2388
01:43:12,400 --> 01:43:10,370
that way twos so I've got a couple guys

2389
01:43:14,530 --> 01:43:12,410
working with me a little bit trying to

2390
01:43:18,910 --> 01:43:14,540
sort this stuff out speaking of Dave

2391
01:43:22,150 --> 01:43:18,920
Marlar he's he's known for triangular

2392
01:43:24,880 --> 01:43:22,160
UFOs he wrote a book on it great guy you

2393
01:43:27,100 --> 01:43:24,890
know he you hear his name a lot and

2394
01:43:31,390 --> 01:43:27,110
speaking of that I noticed in these

2395
01:43:34,120 --> 01:43:31,400
pictures there's a triangular UF UFO and

2396
01:43:36,430 --> 01:43:34,130
a light formation daylight sighting

2397
01:43:37,510 --> 01:43:36,440
is it a color picture no it's a

2398
01:43:41,880 --> 01:43:37,520
black-and-white picture

2399
01:43:44,470 --> 01:43:41,890
um I can't pull it up right now but I

2400
01:43:46,300 --> 01:43:44,480
just was going to ask you it sounds like

2401
01:43:50,140 --> 01:43:46,310
you wouldn't be able to cite where that

2402
01:43:52,300 --> 01:43:50,150
particular one why it's actually out of

2403
01:43:54,760 --> 01:43:52,310
a window of a car or a train or oh

2404
01:43:58,570 --> 01:43:54,770
that's the that's the one in

2405
01:44:02,680 --> 01:43:58,580
Massachusetts a la Massachusetts in 1952

2406
01:44:05,890 --> 01:44:02,690
I believe yeah because it sets up on the

2407
01:44:09,580 --> 01:44:05,900
photo image July 52 Massachusetts yes

2408
01:44:11,670 --> 01:44:09,590
yes yeah I mean the air force I believe

2409
01:44:13,990 --> 01:44:11,680
that one was classified as a unknown

2410
01:44:17,350 --> 01:44:14,000
some people will say its reflection of

2411
01:44:19,120 --> 01:44:17,360
Lights inside no that picture when you

2412
01:44:21,400 --> 01:44:19,130
normally when you see that picture it's

2413
01:44:22,810 --> 01:44:21,410
cropped you can't see the actual window

2414
01:44:25,120 --> 01:44:22,820
but you can see there that there inside

2415
01:44:29,530 --> 01:44:25,130
of a building taking that picture out in

2416
01:44:31,210 --> 01:44:29,540
that picture and that one exact

2417
01:44:33,190 --> 01:44:31,220
classification of that one's escaping me

2418
01:44:34,750 --> 01:44:33,200
right now but I know it's when you're

2419
01:44:36,640 --> 01:44:34,760
talking about and I'm pretty sure that

2420
01:44:38,110 --> 01:44:36,650
one ended up being unidentified even

2421
01:44:39,970 --> 01:44:38,120
though a lot of people say its lights

2422
01:44:41,980 --> 01:44:39,980
reflect you know lights off of a ceiling

2423
01:44:44,740 --> 01:44:41,990
reflecting through the glass well that

2424
01:44:47,110 --> 01:44:44,750
is a possibility for sure you know look

2425
01:44:49,720 --> 01:44:47,120
at it and I've got the paperwork on that

2426
01:44:51,070 --> 01:44:49,730
and they you know in their investigation

2427
01:44:52,600 --> 01:44:51,080
they're talking about the way the sun's

2428
01:44:55,510 --> 01:44:52,610
hitting the cars and the shadows and

2429
01:45:00,040 --> 01:44:55,520
reflections off the cars a lot of these

2430
01:45:01,840 --> 01:45:00,050
as I get time I try to one got so many

2431
01:45:04,810 --> 01:45:01,850
things I'm trying to do with these count

2432
01:45:06,760 --> 01:45:04,820
how many is in there but I'm trying to

2433
01:45:08,410 --> 01:45:06,770
investigate cases you know with present

2434
01:45:11,500 --> 01:45:08,420
technology as far as star charts and

2435
01:45:15,130 --> 01:45:11,510
everything and it's a little time

2436
01:45:17,080 --> 01:45:15,140
consuming but I work on a little bit now

2437
01:45:18,370 --> 01:45:17,090
one thing I did not say the the three

2438
01:45:20,920 --> 01:45:18,380
books I was telling you about that have

2439
01:45:22,330 --> 01:45:20,930
all the case listings they've got up

2440
01:45:24,040 --> 01:45:22,340
first of all they've got all that it's

2441
01:45:26,410 --> 01:45:24,050
funny they got all the navy listings in

2442
01:45:28,930 --> 01:45:26,420
them all the military at sea ones all

2443
01:45:31,720 --> 01:45:28,940
the coordinates which when I told him I

2444
01:45:33,850 --> 01:45:31,730
had those books he said you know I

2445
01:45:35,770 --> 01:45:33,860
probably shouldn't say this but you know

2446
01:45:39,690 --> 01:45:35,780
there might be stuff in those books that

2447
01:45:42,130 --> 01:45:39,700
we didn't send down the Maxwell no now

2448
01:45:45,010 --> 01:45:42,140
all that did was make me try to count

2449
01:45:47,160 --> 01:45:45,020
them all and that's a [\h__\h] I just I

2450
01:45:50,250 --> 01:45:47,170
just went through counting the Ohio ones

2451
01:45:51,780 --> 01:45:50,260
and that took me a good week trying to

2452
01:45:54,480 --> 01:45:51,790
get you see how many there were there

2453
01:45:56,640 --> 01:45:54,490
but that's you can't really do it online

2454
01:45:58,080 --> 01:45:56,650
I mean there's so many different

2455
01:46:00,660 --> 01:45:58,090
versions of things out there and things

2456
01:46:02,130 --> 01:46:00,670
blacked out so you know over time here

2457
01:46:04,470 --> 01:46:02,140
I'll hope to have more answers on the

2458
01:46:07,230 --> 01:46:04,480
actual count in those books to see if

2459
01:46:10,490 --> 01:46:07,240
it's the same 12,000 618 that blue-books

2460
01:46:13,110 --> 01:46:10,500
supposed had you know in the same 701

2461
01:46:16,290 --> 01:46:13,120
there could be more could be less that's

2462
01:46:22,200 --> 01:46:16,300
kind of when I'm one of my projects I'm

2463
01:46:24,240 --> 01:46:22,210
working on alone in the 22 years of

2464
01:46:26,460 --> 01:46:24,250
Project Blue Book and sign and grudge

2465
01:46:32,640 --> 01:46:26,470
had eleven hundred and twenty four

2466
01:46:35,300 --> 01:46:32,650
sightings 22 of them and especially the

2467
01:46:38,190 --> 01:46:35,310
Dayton area which kind of surprised me

2468
01:46:40,980 --> 01:46:38,200
well I believe that's what our guest

2469
01:46:44,160 --> 01:46:40,990
said last week if I remember right also

2470
01:46:46,620 --> 01:46:44,170
from Ohio I was looking at a couple of

2471
01:46:51,260 --> 01:46:46,630
documents I wanted to talk about one and

2472
01:46:55,280 --> 01:46:51,270
we have a FAA Federal Aviation agency

2473
01:46:59,250 --> 01:46:55,290
document here basically on reporting of

2474
01:47:01,020 --> 01:46:59,260
identified flying objects and that's

2475
01:47:05,370 --> 01:47:01,030
interesting you know because basically

2476
01:47:12,060 --> 01:47:05,380
the FAA wants nothing to do with UFOs

2477
01:47:14,370 --> 01:47:12,070
today there's a huge file on FAA and

2478
01:47:17,130 --> 01:47:14,380
space tracking and radar tracking in

2479
01:47:20,070 --> 01:47:17,140
here yeah trying to find that particular

2480
01:47:21,300 --> 01:47:20,080
I mean I'm just gonna you know I mean

2481
01:47:23,640 --> 01:47:21,310
there's just a couple of them that we're

2482
01:47:28,230 --> 01:47:23,650
intriguing how many documents would you

2483
01:47:31,440 --> 01:47:28,240
say that you have approximately 30

2484
01:47:35,640 --> 01:47:31,450
binders that I put together that are two

2485
01:47:39,780 --> 01:47:35,650
inches thick on average and then I have

2486
01:47:44,220 --> 01:47:39,790
a a bowl of actual files probably have

2487
01:47:45,540 --> 01:47:44,230
40 files in them that are you know the

2488
01:47:47,910 --> 01:47:45,550
original ones I've not wanting to break

2489
01:47:49,770 --> 01:47:47,920
up out of they're brown folders a lot of

2490
01:47:51,470 --> 01:47:49,780
those are I mean historic ones trended

2491
01:47:53,490 --> 01:47:51,480
out island I mean just a whole

2492
01:47:56,820 --> 01:47:53,500
interviews with all the officers a lot

2493
01:47:58,620 --> 01:47:56,830
of military sightings in there but that

2494
01:48:00,760 --> 01:47:58,630
a lot of them are just single case files

2495
01:48:02,710 --> 01:48:00,770
also you know just one page and

2496
01:48:04,390 --> 01:48:02,720
lieutenant about that I said you know is

2497
01:48:05,830 --> 01:48:04,400
that all there was and easy to know

2498
01:48:07,780 --> 01:48:05,840
those were that's cooked because he had

2499
01:48:12,010 --> 01:48:07,790
pulled him for the press just the case

2500
01:48:14,020 --> 01:48:12,020
summaries yeah I would say I saw a

2501
01:48:18,750 --> 01:48:14,030
couple of things from us or I saw one

2502
01:48:20,950 --> 01:48:18,760
piece here from Carl Sagan interesting

2503
01:48:22,480 --> 01:48:20,960
remembered that one because when he when

2504
01:48:23,980 --> 01:48:22,490
I was talking to him that you know first

2505
01:48:26,020 --> 01:48:23,990
or second time he's like wears one

2506
01:48:27,970 --> 01:48:26,030
letter I'm well scindia he said it's an

2507
01:48:30,400 --> 01:48:27,980
autograph from Carl Sagan directly to

2508
01:48:33,250 --> 01:48:30,410
Quinton Ella and he said you'll like

2509
01:48:35,070 --> 01:48:33,260
that now I'm not sure I'm trying to

2510
01:48:38,920 --> 01:48:35,080
determine if that's Carl Sagan's

2511
01:48:40,870 --> 01:48:38,930
signature or actual secretaries that's

2512
01:48:42,550 --> 01:48:40,880
actually we could talk offline and

2513
01:48:44,440 --> 01:48:42,560
that's something I could do I do a lot

2514
01:48:45,070 --> 01:48:44,450
of that search like that but yeah it's

2515
01:48:52,990 --> 01:48:45,080
interesting

2516
01:48:55,420 --> 01:48:53,000
and aren't copies but but all the case

2517
01:48:58,750 --> 01:48:55,430
files himself or you know our copies

2518
01:49:00,190 --> 01:48:58,760
like say I've got those glass slides you

2519
01:49:03,700 --> 01:49:00,200
know I've got some other photos and

2520
01:49:05,470 --> 01:49:03,710
things in here that I'm assuming most of

2521
01:49:06,940 --> 01:49:05,480
them like I've not been able to research

2522
01:49:09,250 --> 01:49:06,950
all of them if that black vault would

2523
01:49:12,070 --> 01:49:09,260
been still around but they're easy to

2524
01:49:13,870 --> 01:49:12,080
search you know they had I'd have had a

2525
01:49:15,310 --> 01:49:13,880
little little have a little more answers

2526
01:49:18,670 --> 01:49:15,320
as I gets more time to go through that

2527
01:49:24,130 --> 01:49:18,680
stuff yep yeah that was a lot of wasted

2528
01:49:25,990 --> 01:49:24,140
work by I mean the other ones like say

2529
01:49:28,390 --> 01:49:26,000
you can search him but that one was so

2530
01:49:30,520 --> 01:49:28,400
easy to just get on there and put in

2531
01:49:32,260 --> 01:49:30,530
what you wanted I mean I was really able

2532
01:49:35,080 --> 01:49:32,270
to cruise right through the Socorro file

2533
01:49:36,460 --> 01:49:35,090
page for page and just see what I had

2534
01:49:38,200 --> 01:49:36,470
and what I didn't and that's kind of how

2535
01:49:41,080 --> 01:49:38,210
I came across you know that stuff for

2536
01:49:44,320 --> 01:49:41,090
Ray would you assume that these cartoons

2537
01:49:47,230 --> 01:49:44,330
that were in the lot were just sent like

2538
01:49:49,810 --> 01:49:47,240
from friends or you know those were I

2539
01:49:51,850 --> 01:49:49,820
think they were clearly collected by the

2540
01:49:53,680 --> 01:49:51,860
staff and some of them are I mean I

2541
01:49:56,500 --> 01:49:53,690
think by the staff the whole time some

2542
01:49:58,960 --> 01:49:56,510
of them from the early 50s they have

2543
01:50:00,640 --> 01:49:58,970
dates on them you I can't see them on

2544
01:50:02,850 --> 01:50:00,650
there but there's a some of them updates

2545
01:50:05,350 --> 01:50:02,860
you know as I say is 51 52

2546
01:50:09,400 --> 01:50:05,360
and then there's one up there that's got

2547
01:50:10,450 --> 01:50:09,410
a doodle about captain Gregory on it and

2548
01:50:12,490 --> 01:50:10,460
there might be more than one that's

2549
01:50:14,430 --> 01:50:12,500
actually doodle about him so I think

2550
01:50:16,380 --> 01:50:14,440
it's this guy sitting in the office

2551
01:50:18,540 --> 01:50:16,390
you know clipping and collected there's

2552
01:50:20,189 --> 01:50:18,550
a I mean even funny thing is that I've

2553
01:50:24,479 --> 01:50:20,199
got there's probably a hundred and fifty

2554
01:50:25,800 --> 01:50:24,489
cartoons Wow yeah some of them's napped

2555
01:50:27,959 --> 01:50:25,810
I mean one of them's a napkin with

2556
01:50:34,470 --> 01:50:27,969
aliens on it you know just anything they

2557
01:50:35,939 --> 01:50:34,480
could find some are pretty good too with

2558
01:50:37,080 --> 01:50:35,949
my favorite ones the one I put on the

2559
01:50:41,240 --> 01:50:37,090
website there if Quentin Ella

2560
01:50:45,200 --> 01:50:41,250
hypnotizing the crowd I mean that's all

2561
01:50:47,729 --> 01:50:45,210
somebody did that obviously from 66 on

2562
01:50:49,560 --> 01:50:47,739
scribbled that one on there I'll have to

2563
01:50:50,700 --> 01:50:49,570
have to check that out now there is one

2564
01:50:54,530 --> 01:50:50,710
picture I did want to talk to you about

2565
01:50:57,390 --> 01:50:54,540
in it looks like a disc-shaped UFO

2566
01:51:03,180 --> 01:50:57,400
behind the tail of a jet from the

2567
01:51:04,650 --> 01:51:03,190
cockpit fighter jet maybe yeah and I've

2568
01:51:06,930 --> 01:51:04,660
tried to figure that one out

2569
01:51:08,370 --> 01:51:06,940
that one was loose in the box I mean

2570
01:51:11,130 --> 01:51:08,380
everything all the other slides were in

2571
01:51:12,959 --> 01:51:11,140
a slide box but that one was just loose

2572
01:51:16,760 --> 01:51:12,969
in there in the papers and the only

2573
01:51:19,800 --> 01:51:16,770
thing written on it was b-47 tail wow

2574
01:51:22,380 --> 01:51:19,810
that's quite an object in the back and

2575
01:51:25,530 --> 01:51:22,390
it was dirt the thing was had like a

2576
01:51:27,240 --> 01:51:25,540
film all over it so I you know I bought

2577
01:51:31,470 --> 01:51:27,250
some special alcohol I was able to clean

2578
01:51:34,620 --> 01:51:31,480
it up and I've been it's kind of a

2579
01:51:36,870 --> 01:51:34,630
tie-in as far as that alien slide that's

2580
01:51:39,090 --> 01:51:36,880
coming out here in May right as far as

2581
01:51:39,900 --> 01:51:39,100
the dating goes I was able to date that

2582
01:51:41,790 --> 01:51:39,910
well yeah

2583
01:51:44,580 --> 01:51:41,800
there's another picture in there that

2584
01:51:48,390 --> 01:51:44,590
shows this on my website that shows

2585
01:51:51,780 --> 01:51:48,400
force seven silver slides those are the

2586
01:51:53,250 --> 01:51:51,790
Homer New York glass slides but also now

2587
01:51:55,110 --> 01:51:53,260
at the bottom it's got a red and white

2588
01:51:57,600 --> 01:51:55,120
slide that's that particular one the

2589
01:52:00,590 --> 01:51:57,610
casing and it's from you know for I

2590
01:52:02,850 --> 01:52:00,600
dated it from 49 I think the 55

2591
01:52:08,459 --> 01:52:02,860
somewhere in that period is when that

2592
01:52:10,820 --> 01:52:08,469
one was made I'm sorry 49 the 57 as I'm

2593
01:52:15,750 --> 01:52:10,830
trying to determine whether or not that

2594
01:52:20,070 --> 01:52:15,760
that's a few years before the be the

2595
01:52:21,510 --> 01:52:20,080
b-47 that went around there and around

2596
01:52:25,439 --> 01:52:21,520
Mississippi River Darrow Texas and

2597
01:52:27,039 --> 01:52:25,449
Mississippi the RB 47 mm-hmm I don't

2598
01:52:29,229 --> 01:52:27,049
know if it's from that one

2599
01:52:32,469 --> 01:52:29,239
I mean I've I've done a lot of search

2600
01:52:34,509 --> 01:52:32,479
and b-47s in Project Blue Book on the

2601
01:52:36,159 --> 01:52:34,519
internet and surprisingly there was a

2602
01:52:37,779 --> 01:52:36,169
bunch of them I can't find one in

2603
01:52:41,169 --> 01:52:37,789
particular that said there was pictures

2604
01:52:43,119 --> 01:52:41,179
like that now the are b-47 said there

2605
01:52:46,599 --> 01:52:43,129
supposedly was pictures but nobody knows

2606
01:52:48,969 --> 01:52:46,609
where they are I have never been able to

2607
01:52:50,469 --> 01:52:48,979
confirm if that's what that is I know

2608
01:52:53,229 --> 01:52:50,479
it's a pretty picture I mean you could

2609
01:52:54,399 --> 01:52:53,239
it almost looks fake and I can't tell if

2610
01:52:56,109 --> 01:52:54,409
that's I mean that's probably a glare

2611
01:52:57,939 --> 01:52:56,119
but I can't tell what that isn't that

2612
01:53:00,969 --> 01:52:57,949
I've stared at that thing for hours

2613
01:53:02,859 --> 01:53:00,979
trying to figure it out that's what's

2614
01:53:04,719 --> 01:53:02,869
following it if it's an actual object or

2615
01:53:08,349 --> 01:53:04,729
it looks like it and I'm wonder if that

2616
01:53:11,619 --> 01:53:08,359
can be enhanced somehow but that's just

2617
01:53:13,539 --> 01:53:11,629
as far as that slide that actual picture

2618
01:53:15,609 --> 01:53:13,549
I projected it on the wall in my you

2619
01:53:17,139 --> 01:53:15,619
know my house on my screen and just snap

2620
01:53:19,239 --> 01:53:17,149
the picture of it even that's fairly

2621
01:53:21,519 --> 01:53:19,249
good quality if I took it somewhere and

2622
01:53:22,959 --> 01:53:21,529
had it actually transferred I've kind of

2623
01:53:27,729 --> 01:53:22,969
been hesitant about taking this stuff

2624
01:53:29,229 --> 01:53:27,739
and leaving it places sure I mean I well

2625
01:53:30,219 --> 01:53:29,239
he killed me to do that to the film but

2626
01:53:32,169 --> 01:53:30,229
I had no choice

2627
01:53:36,369 --> 01:53:32,179
ray will make you even more scared if

2628
01:53:38,079 --> 01:53:36,379
you talk to him about it stuff come up

2629
01:53:39,729 --> 01:53:38,089
missing from his house and everything oh

2630
01:53:43,089 --> 01:53:39,739
yeah yeah he's had a bunch of stuff like

2631
01:53:46,779 --> 01:53:43,099
that happening we have we have about

2632
01:53:49,500 --> 01:53:46,789
about three minutes or so left actually

2633
01:53:53,709 --> 01:53:49,510
we only have a couple of minutes left so

2634
01:53:54,969 --> 01:53:53,719
let's talk quickly about first of all we

2635
01:53:59,279 --> 01:53:54,979
already talked about what your future

2636
01:54:02,019 --> 01:53:59,289
plans possibly are yeah and so if we

2637
01:54:04,059 --> 01:54:02,029
know where someone can find all these

2638
01:54:06,159 --> 01:54:04,069
and let's just say that someone has

2639
01:54:08,439 --> 01:54:06,169
enough of an interest that they actually

2640
01:54:12,119 --> 01:54:08,449
want to view these in hand is that

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01:54:15,579 --> 01:54:12,129
something you'd actually make possible I

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01:54:18,399 --> 01:54:15,589
mean if they want to come to where I'm

2643
01:54:20,109 --> 01:54:18,409
at yeah no I take them around Ohio here

2644
01:54:23,799 --> 01:54:20,119
and you know I may end up taking them

2645
01:54:24,879 --> 01:54:23,809
farther but we're having a one place I

2646
01:54:27,879 --> 01:54:24,889
can tell you in particular if it won't

2647
01:54:29,859 --> 01:54:27,889
be is a June 6th mufon of Ohio we're

2648
01:54:32,799 --> 01:54:29,869
having our conference it's up northern

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01:54:35,109 --> 01:54:32,809
Ohio in Ashland little south of Columbus

2650
01:54:37,209 --> 01:54:35,119
Cleveland I'm gonna have them there all

2651
01:54:39,639 --> 01:54:37,219
day I'm not doing any presentations or

2652
01:54:40,540 --> 01:54:39,649
anything I'm just I took the first box I

2653
01:54:42,850 --> 01:54:40,550
had last year

2654
01:54:44,500 --> 01:54:42,860
people loved coming up and looking at it

2655
01:54:46,359 --> 01:54:44,510
well this one I'm gonna have a couple

2656
01:54:48,640 --> 01:54:46,369
tables to set everything out so people

2657
01:54:50,859 --> 01:54:48,650
can you know browse through them during

2658
01:54:53,109 --> 01:54:50,869
the conference conferences six or seven

2659
01:54:57,700 --> 01:54:53,119
hours long you know in between speakers

2660
01:54:59,919 --> 01:54:57,710
and during lunch people anybody come on

2661
01:55:02,169 --> 01:54:59,929
browse them James Fox is gonna be there

2662
01:55:03,879 --> 01:55:02,179
and he's got he's been working on that

2663
01:55:06,160 --> 01:55:03,889
movie 701 right

2664
01:55:09,010 --> 01:55:06,170
I intend hopefully to show them to him

2665
01:55:10,689 --> 01:55:09,020
Oh that'd be great I'm sure he'd be very

2666
01:55:13,240 --> 01:55:10,699
that could actually be part of that that

2667
01:55:15,189 --> 01:55:13,250
film so we have a we have a little less

2668
01:55:17,830 --> 01:55:15,199
than a minute left so can you give out

2669
01:55:21,459 --> 01:55:17,840
your website if you would yes Miami

2670
01:55:23,709 --> 01:55:21,469
Valley UFO Society dot-com oh wow that's

2671
01:55:26,859 --> 01:55:23,719
a long one Miami

2672
01:55:31,030 --> 01:55:26,869
UFO Society calm and that will be in our

2673
01:55:32,229 --> 01:55:31,040
show notes okay it's just a link to news

2674
01:55:34,359 --> 01:55:32,239
sources

2675
01:55:36,490 --> 01:55:34,369
I mean it's mainly for to try to get

2676
01:55:38,770 --> 01:55:36,500
people around here you know a local

2677
01:55:40,479 --> 01:55:38,780
place maybe they'll start giving reports

2678
01:55:42,250 --> 01:55:40,489
clicking them our way which they'll go

2679
01:55:44,500 --> 01:55:42,260
to MUFON if they come through my site

2680
01:55:46,000 --> 01:55:44,510
but mainly it's just try to get people

2681
01:55:47,410 --> 01:55:46,010
around here talking about the subject so

2682
01:55:49,390 --> 01:55:47,420
many people have had relatives work

2683
01:55:51,069 --> 01:55:49,400
there at wright-patt I mean there's

2684
01:55:52,780 --> 01:55:51,079
stories out there to be found he's got

2685
01:55:54,819 --> 01:55:52,790
find them that's right well thanks so

2686
01:55:58,270 --> 01:55:54,829
much I really appreciate it all right

2687
01:56:00,399 --> 01:55:58,280
it's it's been a real pleasure and good

2688
01:56:01,990 --> 01:56:00,409
luck with with these and I'd be

2689
01:56:05,740 --> 01:56:02,000
interested to see what happens down the

2690
01:56:08,799 --> 01:56:05,750
road so that's it for the show this

2691
01:56:10,660 --> 01:56:08,809
evening I want to thank you for being

2692
01:56:14,430 --> 01:56:10,670
our guest tonight and I also want to

2693
01:56:16,750 --> 01:56:14,440
thank people that helped actually it was

2694
01:56:19,120 --> 01:56:16,760
Alejandro Rojas did not help with the

2695
01:56:20,979 --> 01:56:19,130
news this week it was chip RIKEN Thal

2696
01:56:23,200 --> 01:56:20,989
helped me out there

2697
01:56:24,370 --> 01:56:23,210
Alejandro should be back next week he

2698
01:56:26,049 --> 01:56:24,380
didn't tell me if it was a two-week

2699
01:56:28,149 --> 01:56:26,059
vacation though so I don't know for sure

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01:56:30,580 --> 01:56:28,159
cleric Kerri Lloyd Wright house White

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01:56:32,919 --> 01:56:30,590
House has provided the music for us

2702
01:56:34,569 --> 01:56:32,929
Peggy shunning I want to thank her for

2703
01:56:36,640 --> 01:56:34,579
managing the Facebook page remember you

2704
01:56:39,459 --> 01:56:36,650
can like us on Facebook for all the

2705
01:56:41,200 --> 01:56:39,469
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2706
01:56:43,780 --> 01:56:41,210
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2707
01:56:46,030 --> 01:56:43,790
radio network and every Wednesday at 8

2708
01:56:48,760 --> 01:56:46,040
p.m. to 10 p.m. Eastern Standard Time

2709
01:56:50,319 --> 01:56:48,770
next week we have Terry ray he's the

2710
01:56:53,320 --> 01:56:50,329
offer of the complete story of the

2711
01:56:54,850 --> 01:56:53,330
worldwide invasion of orbs

2712
01:56:56,470 --> 01:56:54,860
I've always wanted to talk to him about

2713
01:56:59,620 --> 01:56:56,480
this so that should be great